[HK_sends]

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what's the deal with people selling unquoted non documented or tested teles for 200 bucks for 2 pairs, when I paid 270 bucks for a pair on tubemuseumusa, which was even on sale.--and then there were also other legit ones for 200 a pair, ---and nobody seem to indicate that there should be any standard that different make or kind or date or condition dictate the price of them...i mean if people have never bought tons of telefunkens before how are they supposed to know which ones are good? Sure ebay is supposed to be a place where you get stuff for cheap cus you know about stuff, but it's even worse than buying stuff on the street in a way because the pictures and the descriptions can all be faked--i mean obviously there is reputation on the line but with almost everyone having 99% or higher rating it just seem too good to be true that I won't get screwed one day buying from someone--is every seller on ebay with like a lot of stars lots of sales good rating just going to be honest traders? what about those with just a couple hundred stars and only a couple stuff on sale or a couple sales history tracable...

I can't speak to the rest but tubemuseumusa has always asked for a premium price on tubes...usually 25-30% above what the average asking prices are.  I don't know what the premium gets you other than...maybe...peace of mind.
 
*Edit* I see your point was more toward the fact that people are selling tubes without offering any reasonably good information on them.  Unfortunately, it happens all the time and it really is a crap shoot.
Cheers!

-HK sends

 

[Overwerk]

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I can't speak to the rest but tubemuseumusa has always asked for a premium price on tubes...usually 25-30% above what the average asking prices are.  I don't know what the premium gets you other than...maybe...peace of mind.
 
*Edit* I see your point was more toward the fact that people are selling tubes without offering any reasonably good information on them.  Unfortunately, it happens all the time and it really is a crap shoot.
Cheers!

-HK sends

well I should have known, and I did check later that they charge restocking fee, sadly. and sadly ebay does not cover that obviously pfft.
 
 

  the cynicism is not the fault, the people being real is the fault. Oh wait, who am I to blame people. I should just be the nice real guy if I ever want to be treated likewise huh--it would be a crime to just take and not give out. how's that for peace of mind -.-

 

[HK_sends]

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well I should have known, and I did check later that they charge restocking fee, sadly. and sadly ebay does not cover that obviously pfft.
 
 

  the cynicism is not the fault, the people being real is the fault. Oh wait, who am I to blame people. I should just be the nice real guy if I ever want to be treated likewise huh--it would be a crime to just take and not give out. how's that for peace of mind -.-

I agree with what you were saying.  I've actually been very lucky with my dealings on ebay but we all have to remember "caveat emptor" and weigh the risk vs. the gain.
 
Cheers!

-HK sends

 

[Overwerk]

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I agree with what you were saying.  I've actually been very lucky with my dealings on ebay but we all have to remember "caveat emptor" and weigh the risk vs. the gain.
 
Cheers!

-HK sends

i am not in the sales business, but i assume whoever invented the convention of "customer satisfaction" made a contribution, but it probably never gets out of the end goal of profiting anyways. So in a way it's a lie.
 
If i were to go out there all of a sudden to sell stuff to strangers, what makes me want to rip them off? WHat makes me want to give them a deal? I wouldn't do either.

 

[rb2013]

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Another type of construction i've stumbled upon.
Voskhod 6N23P's with dual getter supports, and they have a big rocket logo, hard to see from this picture because the printing has faded, made in 69 and 70 respectively.

 
Almost the same as the 70's silver shields but i'd say they have a hair more bass presence.

I have 1967 pr - they are pretty good - on par with the single post 1980s silver VRs.  These dual post versions are very similar to the early Reflectors.

 
To my ears not as good as the single post silver 79's - and not in the same league as these amazing single post VR '75s -silver or gray.
 
I was listening to those 1975 Voskhod grays last night  - for 5 hours!  That is the longest I have ever listened to music on headphones - ever.  Just could not take them off - old tracks - **** whole albums went by - I was just mesmerized!   And they have only 24 hours on them!  As they burn -in they get sweeter and more detailed - the sound stage already huge just keeps getting deeper.
 
Just found a pr of 1972 single post V-Rs!   Can't wait to hear those!!

 

[Hedonism]

Hey, I'm going to be buying a Lyr second hand, and the guy is including some tubes (at extra cost for me) that he got that make me scratch my head. Is using Philips ECC89 with stock savers a viable option?
 
When I asked him about it, this is what he said: "[size=medium]The ecc89 have different pin with ecc88  that is why I am useing the stock saver to make it work with ecc88 unit. This tube is made from mullard factory just same with mullard ecc88 but lot cheaper a good nos mullard ecc88 will cost about $200 , I got this pair new for only about $80 . "[/size]
 
Can someone confirm or deny this? I don't know too much about tubes, so I want a little bit of knowledge before diving headfirst into this.

 

[Zuckfun]

Hey, I'm going to be buying a Lyr second hand, and the guy is including some tubes (at extra cost for me) that he got that make me scratch my head. Is using Philips ECC89 with stock savers a viable option?

When I asked him about it, this is what he said: "[size=medium]The ecc89 have different pin with ecc88  that is why I am useing the stock saver to make it work with ecc88 unit. This tube is made from mullard factory just same with mullard ecc88 but lot cheaper a good nos mullard ecc88 will cost about $200 , I got this pair new for only about $80 . "[/size]


Can someone confirm or deny this? I don't know too much about tubes, so I want a little bit of knowledge before diving headfirst into this.

I don't know enough to respond to your question, but regarding compatibility issues, your best (and safest) bet is to contact Schiit directly:

info@schiit.com

They'll get back to you promptly

 

[ilikepooters]

ECC89 is a different pin-out, it sounds like the socket savers that are coming with your tubes have been re-wired, similar to something i did, to make the tubes pin-compatible.
 
Basically ECC89 has 3 cathode connections versus ECC88's 2
 
ECC89 pin-out as follows, notice once of the triodes has 2 cathode connections, and lacks a shield pin.
 
K2
G2
A2
Heater
Heater
G1
K1
K1
A1
 
ECC88 pin-out as follows:
 
A2
G2
K2
Heater
Heater
A1
G1
K1
Shield
 
I'd love to see inside the socket saver you're being sent, that'll be one hell of a maze of wires to correct that pin-out 

 
If an adaptor could be made, that's one hell of a cheap 6DJ8 alternative.

 

[sceleratus]

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Hey, I'm going to be buying a Lyr second hand, and the guy is including some tubes (at extra cost for me) that he got that make me scratch my head. Is using Philips ECC89 with stock savers a viable option?
 
When I asked him about it, this is what he said: "[size=medium]The ecc89 have different pin with ecc88  that is why I am useing the stock saver to make it work with ecc88 unit. This tube is made from mullard factory just same with mullard ecc88 but lot cheaper a good nos mullard ecc88 will cost about $200 , I got this pair new for only about $80 . "[/size]
 
Can someone confirm or deny this? I don't know too much about tubes, so I want a little bit of knowledge before diving headfirst into this.

Pooters is 100% correct.
IMO. That doesn't sound like a good Lyr for a new guy to start with.

 

[Alexnova]

Holy smokes does Thriller sound amazing with these tubes. Incredibly tight bass on Billie Jean with plenty of sonic breathing room, love the reverb on MJ's voice. The Girl Is Mine has sublime dynamics and it really wows.
 
Put on Eva Cassidy's rendition of "Fields of Gold", good lord are the vocals brought up really close but she sounds incredible.
 
Radiohead still seems like a miss here, bass is lacking, not that the recordings ever had good bass (see depth), but again recessed.
 
Tricky's "Suffocated Love" requires more volume from the amp to get the bass to come out, and his vocals are a little more prominent. "Pumpkin"...Martina's vocals are arousing, you can almost hear the saliva coming from her lips.
 
JustBlaze's wonderful production on "Touch The Sky" comes alive with plenty of expansiveness and just the right balance. Hip-hop albums aren't really known for good mixes (see brickwalled), so they aren't really a good true measure. However credit to the HE-500 for being a real genre master.
 
And I get to "Angel" by Massive Attack. The song that I believe busted my HD595s and HD80s because of that low rumbling bass. Not exagarrated here or artificially produced. On the PS500s, the cans couldn't handle the bass so they had to distort it in such a way that lost all impact.
 
Sara Jay on "Dissolved Girl" isn't brought forward so much in the mix which is great. Beautiful reproduction of that fuzz bass line. Would like some more treble here, but I will fault the HE-500 for being darker.
 
Hmm what else. Love the bass, backing vocals and bassoon combo on "The Tears of a Clown".
 
Great guitars on "Over and Over" by Fleetwood Mac. Also that slide guitar on "How To Disappear Completely" has just the perfect space. You can hear the air from the bass strings on "Until The End of the World" by U2. "Who's Gonna Ride Your Horses" is just a beautiful recording sonically, beautiful guitar work from the Edge, and lovely reverb on Bono's vocals.
 
"Tie My Hands" is just a wonder to behold. The phones just sing on this tune. "Seagull" and "Leave Them All Behind" by Ride, same thing.
 
SACD of Sticky Fingers, Wish You Were Here, and Exile on Main St...just astounding. Yes I know it's not DSD, however its about 2800kbps at 88200Hz. Pretty quiet recordings, requires the amp to be turned up full blast. DSOTM at 8000kbps, 96kHz SACD...wow. "Time" sort of disproves any notion that the HE-500 doesn't have any dimensionality.
 
Keep the burning going...

 

[sceleratus]

Holy smokes does .....
Keep the burning going...

Curious.... What valves are you listening to?

 

[Zuckfun]

Curious.... What valves are you listening to?

I'll guess fully burned-in OG's. To borrow the phrase, these tubes rock the sockets

 

[sceleratus]

I'll guess fully burned-in OG's. To borrow the phrase, these tubes rock the sockets

I resemble that remark.

 

[sceleratus]

Check that.... Valves.
"these valves rock the sockets". )

 

[GrindingThud]

I've purchased 2 pair from this source....sharing the wealth.
Excellent unused PQ tek select: http://www.ebay.com/itm/200938111777?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Check that.... Valves.
"these valves rock the sockets". )