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Hi, HifiMAN in China will be back on Monday Feb 10. In the meantime. we are open for biz here in the U.S. Send the request to Summer at summeryin@hifiman.com
Peter
Peter
My best guess would be Monday... New Years is Thursday-Friday this year...
Lol no, CNY is a week-long holiday in China I think.
The actual New Year's day is on Friday (Thursday would be NYE). That's all I was saying (my mom actually only takes those two days off in celebration). It looks like they're off for two weeks if they are returning the 10th...
I was thinking of picking up the HE-400 this week since its down at $300, but since the 400i is coming out so soon im not sure. Do you guys think it will be worth the $200 more?
Depends on your needs/preferences, gear, and background experience in headphones. I personally think that the HE-400 easily beats all the headphones I've tried in the up-to-$400 price bracket. At $300, I think it is an amazing steal.
No one knows really knows how the 400i will sound like in its final release version, so there is no harm in waiting two months to see some real reviews come in. In headphones, there is extreme diminishing returns as the price goes up, so how much sound quality improvement is worth $200 more is highly subjective. Luckily, there is positive design/comfort improvements to the HE-400i that will make the higher price tag more justifiable to consumers.
Honestly, I find the HE-400 to be very close to the perfect pair of headphones for my listening habits. I think the only improvement I would like to see in its SQ would be some frequency response tuning of the high mids/trebles (which I have already adjusted easily via EQ).
Thanks for the response. I am probably just going to get the 400 and a schiit stack or the aune t1. May as I ask what kind of music you listen to? I'll be listening to everything on these but mainly a lot of electronic music, stuff like Tim Hecker, Burial, OPN, Andy Stott. All of electronic and its subgenres.
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Thanks for the response. I am probably just going to get the 400 and a schiit stack or the aune t1. May as I ask what kind of music you listen to? I'll be listening to everything on these but mainly a lot of electronic music, stuff like Tim Hecker, Burial, OPN, Andy Stott. All of electronic and its subgenres.
Would not suggest the 400 for music like tim hecker due to its U/V shaped sig, just cause of the way hecker uses the full spectrum in many of his tracks it would probably not sound as natural, plus a lot of his work is based around the piano on which he plays mostly the middle parts. The 500 would probably work qutie a bit better there, but burial or anything similar, or for genres like glitchy kind of stuff probably works quite well on the 400. In general though I am not a fan of U signatures.
If the 400i is as they say (more like the 500), it might be exactly what you want for those musical tastes. The 500 is good but judging by the gear you say you'll be using, the 400 or 400i is probably right in your wheelhouse and if the 400i is somewhere in between the 400 and 500 in terms of SQ and signature, then it would hypothetically be an excellent go-to for electronic music that you've specified.
It manages to find a unique equilibrium between "colored" and "neutral."
Would you like to clarify? I have no idea what this means.
lol it is a quote from this popular comparison guide: http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-58-headphones-compared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13#user_HE400
I imagine he means exactly what he says in this quote, but you can PM him if you want more clarification.
The HE-400's tonality is not "fun" in the sense that it is totally un-neutral - It is fun because it has a very specific upper-mid dip that allows the listener to home-in on specific instruments. The HE-400's tonal balance is not the definition of neutral, but it is also not the complete antithesis either. It manages to find a unique equilibrium between "colored" and "neutral."
Further on, he says this... which implies that the FR tuning improves how they sound but prevent them from having a true flat neutral FR curve. It sounds similar how I've heard that Sennheiser tuned the HD650 with a colored sound in order to sound more natural vs the HD600 which was tuned according to the FR curve.
MIDS: The mids here are interesting. The lower-mids are significantly forward while the upper-mids are significantly recessed. However, this is not as problematic as it sounds. The mids are recessed in the region where many odd nasal characteristics typically emanate. Here there is none of that. Of course, the recessed upper midrange will find detractors. It prevents this headphone from being "neutral." But I must counter this by suggesting that this coloration is not offensive to my ears, and I think many people may ultimately be won over by the headphone's ability to render detail without sounding shouty or nasal.
Basically, I don't think that a U-shaped sound signature is an accurate description of the HE-400 as that implies a boosted bass (false; bass sounds great, but not overly-emphasized), recessed midrange (slightly true - upper mid dip, but I agree with the review. the coloration does not negatively impact the sound signature as the guitars, pianos, and other mid-instruments sound very clear and natural), and elevated treble (slightly true; there is one treble spike that sometimes cause too much brightness for my tastes on poor recordings). From my listening experience, the mids sound great & the bass is simply amazing. My only suggestion for SQ improvement would further tuning of the treble region. Overall, from my personal experience, the sound quality is excellent and the headphones sound very natural.