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  1. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    Right, you may try to eq the xr to sr's response and see if you like it or not.
  2. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    What you heard is the combination of excess 1.6k and recessed 4-8k. That is exactly what you described. As well as the 10khz. If you matched the 2khz you will see xr has more 10khz region than sr. It's all relative. Only thing you want from xr is just extra bass, other than that sr is superior...
  3. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    https://clarityfidelity.blogspot.com/2016/10/etymotic-research-er4xr-iem.html. Also I have personally measured three pairs of xr and one xr as well as er4pt, hf5, er4b. Er4xr is essentially er4p with a little more sub bass and extra 10khz region.
  4. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    It has two resistors inside. Initially used for er4pt to become an er4s. It will make er4xr a bit brighter, a bit more air, a bit better tonality. It will also make it much less sensitive. You will need more than double the volume control setting to have the same volume.
  5. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    XR has increased response below 800hz and significant increase below 500hz. Also the 6-8khz is more recessed than SR.
  6. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    How did I not think of this... XR is indeed warmer. Adding PtoS cable for it is necessary.
  7. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    If you cannot insert deep enough, I suggest to perform the bi flange mod. Use the large 3 flange tip, and cut around the largest flange. Then you have two smaller flanges only with the stem intact. This way you can insert deeper.
  8. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    Definitely not. Er4 is deisgned to utilize the canal resonant frequency to achieve flat high frequency response even after 10khz all the way to 16khz. use this: https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/ and set volume to 10% and sweep after 7khz to 14khz. Insert deeper until it's flat.
  9. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    If 10k is a bit sharp you are simply not inserting deep enough. The volume in the ear canal will interfere with the peak frequency. You need to push it from 10khz to 13khz. So go deeper.
  10. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    That's quite the opposite. That's exactly why I don't like Harman target. Which is more correct? Only way that you can do yourself is to compare directly to eq'd speakers. Then you will realize how accurately er4 represents the high frequency of the real speakers. How? It's an error done in...
  11. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    Er4s/sr has more linear response after 2khz. er2se is a bit recessed between 4khz to 8khz. The sound is less natural this way.
  12. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    I never had er3. But I assume it's in the middle or more towards er4 side.
  13. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    In short er4s/sr is brighter and on the more neutral side in terms of tonality. Er2se is more balanced but tonality is slightly worse. Er2se actually benefits from stock foam tips which is quite surprising. And it's much less critical in terms of insertion depth. On the other hand er4s/sr you...
  14. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    It's pretty easy to understand. No matter from what source, the response at ear drum should be the same. It can apply to iem, over ear, on ear, even speakers. Usually we take flat speakers in treated room as standard so we don't normally use it that way, but it's possible. Now, there are er4s...
  15. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    It can be seen in different ways. You can see it as original harman target with tuned and treble or etymotic target with harman-like bass and slightly tuned mid-high.
  16. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    The most funny thing about it is. When I said about hd800 being harmful to ears. Do you really think a huge peak drilling on your haircell is a good thing? Also there has been studies showed human hearing can compensation up to 4db. People who got used to the sound may stick to certain sound...
  17. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    Overshoot is not frequency response? Why don't you go back and ask your professor about it? Also stability, ringing, natural frequency etc. Also like I said THD IMD. And decay time can be restored using impulse response. I don't know where did you studied all these. I can tell you really don't...
  18. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    Like I said any system can be modelled as a linear system + non linearity. The linearity is distortion, thd + imd. The rest is linear system. Being minimum phase has nothing to do with LTI/LSI systrm. If you want to talk about the result. It comes down to the input dimension and output...
  19. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    I meant to record music. Then see if you can tell difference between the two music files.
  20. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    That's normal. Because your ear compensates for the brightness. Hence you can hear more impact. That's very normal. That's my impression a few years ago. Nothing wrong with that.
  21. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    One last thing is the absence of blind test will almost always lead to the expected outcome. The only way to perform is to record both er4s and er4b and perform eq in digital domain. Then perform ABX test to see if you really can hear a difference. This way it's the controlled test that will...
  22. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    If you are going to convert S to B you need to rist of all make the eq subtractive instead of additive, meaning decrease the overall gain to not have red in the fft. Hence, you also need to match the level, which is impossible to do without measurements. (or you can lower the same amount for...
  23. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    This is an eq setting I just made. Also be sure to insert deep enough to ensure the similar response as measurements. Too much talking. Just try it out. Apply both of the files to er4b. eq.zip
  24. JohnYang1997

    If you still love Etymotic ER4, this is the thread for you...

    Equalizer APO should work. I'll try to get you a few eq settings as I don't have er4b anymore. You need to make sure the output impedance of your amplifier is low. Otherwise there will be difference with er4b (higher output impedance = darker sound for the rc network). And the difference between...
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