RAAL 1995 headphones, Magna and Immanis
May 5, 2024 at 3:27 PM Post #1,651 of 1,855
I think the wider soundstage tends to disperse the impact of the bass somewhat...at least that was the way I heard it but both have very impactful bass
Yeah, it sounds like this might really be the case, for example compare Caldera and Utopia, Caldera having a much bigger soundstage than Utopia, on Solid State at least. Utopia does hit a bit more powerful, but bass texture and presentation on Caldera is probably better overall, that's my impression anyway, but we might be wrong.

Might be the power required to drive 3 drivers vs 2 even with whatever optimizations, but Aleksandar said it's about his tuning rather than power... But seriously we need to hear our Immanis already XD

Tried getting a day off at work this week so I could go to listen to Immanis at the local distributor, I guess it won't happen until at least the open day planned on the 22nd.
Aleksandar is coming over as well heh
 
May 5, 2024 at 3:36 PM Post #1,652 of 1,855
Yeah, it sounds like this might really be the case, for example compare Caldera and Utopia, Caldera having a much bigger soundstage than Utopia, on Solid State at least. Utopia does hit a bit more powerful, but bass texture and presentation on Caldera is probably better overall, that's my impression anyway, but we might be wrong.

Might be the power required to drive 3 drivers vs 2 even with whatever optimizations, but Aleksandar said it's about his tuning rather than power... But seriously we need to hear our Immanis already XD

Tried getting a day off at work this week so I could go to listen to Immanis at the local distributor, I guess it won't happen until at least the open day planned on the 22nd.
Aleksandar is coming over as well heh
The 3 ribbon Immanis needs less power than the 2 ribbon Magna for the same spl. It might be counter intuitive but that’s a fact.
 
May 5, 2024 at 5:16 PM Post #1,653 of 1,855
I think the wider soundstage tends to disperse the impact of the bass somewhat...at least that was the way I heard it but both have very impactful bass
I've always found this to be true. Soundstage width and "dynamic slam" have an inverse relationship. The bass is either right up in your face or it's pushed out slightly away from you. The dB level of the bass makes no difference to this effect (i.e. you can EQ HD800S all you want, you will never get it to "slam")
 
May 5, 2024 at 5:39 PM Post #1,654 of 1,855
I've always found this to be true. Soundstage width and "dynamic slam" have an inverse relationship. The bass is either right up in your face or it's pushed out slightly away from you. The dB level of the bass makes no difference to this effect (i.e. you can EQ HD800S all you want, you will never get it to "slam")
Strongly disagree. Soundstage is frequency response (mostly). Delayed pina gain + boosted treble = bigger soundstage (Hifiman, HD800, etc).
Dynamic slam is the driver capability to move air.
HD800 just has bad bass because of its driver, that's all. It's not the focus of the headphone.
1266 does both, slam + soundstage.
 
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May 5, 2024 at 7:53 PM Post #1,655 of 1,855
true regarding the 1266 but in general I have noticed that wider soundstages tend not to accentuate bass unless it is specially tuned to
 
May 6, 2024 at 12:00 AM Post #1,656 of 1,855
Interesting. If Magna adds bits that SR1 was missing, that seems to me that it's not like SR1. If it added more of what was already there, that's what I would personally call a continuation of the SR1. Like if I take a headphone that lacks bass and add a lot of bass, I wouldn't say it's a continuation of the original headphone, it's now different, it has what the previous lacks.

Just giving my $0.02 on why so many might see Immanis as the SR1 continuation. Also Immanis being the more spacious of the two, as you already alluded to.
I'm one of the people in the camp that Immanis seemed more in line with SR1 and Magna seemed more in line with CA-1a, to my ears. Not particularly in tone or FR, but in character, with Immanis being spacious like SR1 and Magna being punchy and dynamic like CA-1a.
You're right, I didn't express my concept of continuation correctly.
Also, it's important to know the actual scale.

What I understand as a continuation is when a new product adds improvements, but you can still recognize the origin of it. The quantity of things have changed, but the quality of them stayed the same.

The most important factor with any reproduction system is the tone balance of it.
The scale is the amount of difference in tone balance.

What I, and I guess everyone else, hears first is the tone balance of headphones. Timbre and space come later and it requires more time to assess, but the tone balance is understood very quickly.

Continuation:
SR1 is light/neutral balance, Magna is neutral and Immanis is warm/neutral.
CA1 doesn't resemble the rest in tone balance due to it's laid back presence region, which none of the others share with it.

The scale/qualitative difference:
It's not like that Magna has lots of bass. It adds to SR1 just the right amount to become neutral instead of light and it's the same type of bass behavior.
If you liked what SR1 does with bass, you will like the Magna, too, just getting more of the same kind of bass to get to neutral balance.

Immanis does not have exactly the same type of bass and it has a bit more of it, as a natural consequence of going from critical to slightly subcritical dampening.
That makes a different quality to it, besides the quantity, which is also slightly different.

In brief, continuation between SR1 and magna comes from using the same tools, getting same qualitative result, only adding the quantity of the result.
Immanis uses a little different tools, getting a different qualitative result and adds more quantity of it, to make a point. It is more of a derivative than continuation.
 
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May 6, 2024 at 2:27 AM Post #1,657 of 1,855
I’m not ‘getting’ at you, nor do I think there was any offence taken from any of your comments, but I suppose we do see things a little differently, and to me that’s perfectly OK. I recommended going in around page 10 because much of what’s before that is taken from what Alex shared with us on the sponsor channel. The real ‘meat’ of the review starts with Srajan comparing Magna with his much loved SR-1a and then later with the “Lunar Eclipse’ that is Immanis and all of that happens in the last 3 or 4 pages.
What I actually really like about what Srajan does is he takes care with his planning and preparation and offers his thoughts using 3 different systems. He does not go straight for chains which are out of most people’s reach but uses components that reflect different approaches that many people should be able to relate to. And yes, I think for people for whom English is not their first language I can see why it could be hard work trying to work out what he is actually saying. For me that’s part of what makes him unique. There will be enough reports coming over the next few months that talk about V-shaped this, treble that, mid-range this, bass that etc which mean I can tolerate, even enjoy the different approach taken by Srajan. And of course nobody is forced to read it. I reserved Immanis as soon as I read about it in January, but that’s an easy decision to make if you already own the SR-1a/b and/or CA-1a. Likewise I would have reserved it after reading @simorag and @MokhaMark’s heartfelt words. I would not reserve Immanis if the only review available was the one written by Srajan, but I would have asked my dealer when I could arrange for a demonstration. Is that because it’s real human beings v. a professional reviewer? Or maybe I’m slightly unhinged like Srajan…….

Even for native english speakers I think reading his reviews is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics.
 
May 6, 2024 at 4:56 AM Post #1,658 of 1,855
Even for native english speakers I think reading his reviews is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics.

I tried one time a long time ago to decipher " Just like porn, these loudspeakers got horns" ...still don't understand what Srajan meant..

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May 6, 2024 at 10:44 AM Post #1,659 of 1,855
I tried one time a long time ago to decipher " Just like porn, these loudspeakers got horns" ...still don't understand what Srajan meant..
Lol
 
May 6, 2024 at 2:23 PM Post #1,660 of 1,855
Hmm, Auris 300B though, with Aries Cerat, will probably be an interesting demo and open day at the distributor of Raals, huh

Anyone heard the Auris 300B?
 
May 6, 2024 at 5:04 PM Post #1,662 of 1,855
Which Aries Cerat DAC: Helene or Kassandra Reference?

Apparently we could listen to Ithaka :O
I'm listening to videos with the Helene on Youtube, sounds huge, and vocals are amazing for sure.
I wish I could listen to it on my Immanis already
 
May 6, 2024 at 6:28 PM Post #1,663 of 1,855
Hi RAAL fans,

Cross-posting to get the word out about our local meet. Danny McKinney, @SageM , with RAAL-requisite / RAAL 1995, will be joining us at our Denver head-fi meet on June 22. Between him and attendees, we will have an Immanis, Magna, SR1a/b, CA-1a, VM-1a, and HSA-1b available for listening. Danny also plans to bring a Feliks Envy. And he is going to try to bring the new SAEQ Armageddon, and Solaja Audio's soon-to-be-released EL34 (VM1a successor) and 300B amps (both). There is even a slim chance he will be able to bring a Trafomatic Primavera. It should be an epic meet and we are offering a few spots for out-of-towners who are willing to travel for a chance to demo this gear in a quiet environment. If that's you, let us know here: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/colorado-head-fi-meet-june-22-2024.972574/
 
May 6, 2024 at 11:35 PM Post #1,664 of 1,855
Apparently we could listen to Ithaka :O
I'm listening to videos with the Helene on Youtube, sounds huge, and vocals are amazing for sure.
I wish I could listen to it on my Immanis already
Wow, I have Kassandra Reference and the Ithanka is priced between the Kassandra Signature and the Limited Edition at $84K so a very nice DAC but will weigh close to 300 lbs with its 2 chassis design.
 
May 7, 2024 at 3:01 AM Post #1,665 of 1,855
Hmm, Auris 300B though, with Aries Cerat, will probably be an interesting demo and open day at the distributor of Raals, huh

Anyone heard the Auris 300B?

Yes, that has been mentioned in this thread before. I have one in my office and it is excellent with the RAAL 1995, as reported. In fact I am listening to it right now
 

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