Reviews by aiaosu

aiaosu

100+ Head-Fier
Pros: Warm, non-fatiguing sound with good sub-bass and strong mids.
Cons: Dark sound with rolled off treble.
Disclaimer: 
I received these earbuds from Fiio in exchange for a fair review which I intend on giving. 
 
Introduction:
I have to admit, until not too long ago, I despised earbuds.  Why?  Whenever I heard earbuds, they were the kind that were packaged with an inexpensive electronic item of some sort.  I seemed to find them at the bottom of drawers around the house and, every so often, I would try them.  I really had little respect for earbuds and did not like the way they seemed to just loosely lay inside your ear. 
 
What changed?  Well, having a 13 year-old daughter that hates IEM’s or anything inside her ear canal, she continued to defy me by using horribly cheap earbuds.  I would see her lying in her room with a set of no-name earbuds attached to her MP3 player.  When she would go to sleep, I even checked the sound to see if I was missing something—I wasn’t.
 
Anyways, the poor sound was really bothering me, so I ordered a used, inexpensive pair of Yuin PK3’s.  These seemed to be a significant upgrade as were the Apple earbuds we found lying around.  Shortly after the PK3’s arrived, one of the ears went out and I was frustrated with the build quality (and still am, it seems to be a common complaint). 
 
I have since purchased used earbuds in a group that have opened my eyes to the possibility of how good earbuds can actually be.  I have yet to try high-end earbuds, but I have tried some good sounding earbuds.  These earbuds are the Blox BE3 and the Baldoor E100—and now, the Fiio EM3.
 
Purpose:
My purpose in this review is to focus on reviewing the Fiio EM3’s, primarily in the sound.  For $9.99, I really don’t want to spend a lot of time on accessories and want to keep that section brief.  After reviewing the sound of the EM3’s, I then want to compare the EM3’s to several other pairs of earbuds I have on hand.  I will focus on listing from greatest to least in various sound categories and will comment on any areas that stand out.  My hope is that people will get a good feel for the sound of the Fiio EM3’s, which are a fantastic value for the performance to cost ratio.  I also hope people will understand how other pairs stack up against each other in different areas to better help people choose an earbud they might like. 
 
All comparisons will be at the end of this review, under the “Comparison” section.
 
Packaging:
I have to admit, I really don’t care much about packaging, especially for an earbud that has an MSRP of $9.99.  I often get headphones used or open-box as I’m more concerned about sound than anything.  I can say that the small, thin box (about the length of a pen) is easy to open and looks professional.  The clear window showing the earbuds has a frosted look that is more appealing, but overall it’s pretty basic.  It looks like something that hangs from the pegs from a large box store, much like I see Skullcandy or Sony doing.  This seems to be a great idea if Fiio is aiming at a younger, more mainstream demographic.  I can say that I would much rather grab a set of Fiio EM3’s off the rack than the other choices I often see in the same price range (not that I’ve ever seen Fiio at a box store).
 
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Accessories:
In terms of accessories, you don’t get much.  Inside the small box you will find a manual and a small box containing three pairs of foam covers inside a small, Ziploc bag.  The foam covers are standard and no doughnut style covers are included.  Due to the warmer and darker sound of these earbuds, having doughnuts might help as I can’t imagine they would add considerable cost on Fiio’s end and may brighten up the sound.  Also, there is no case included which would have been nice considering the cord tends to curl up and get tangled.
 
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Design/Build Quality:
According to Fiio, the EM3’s have 14.8mm diameter dynamic drivers with a 47ohm impedance designed to sound the same regardless of source.  I definitely found this to be true as I tried the EM3’s with my Fiio X3 (1st Gen.), LG G3, and Ipad 2.  The EM3’s are tuned for popular music and are said to produce powerful bass. 
 
Fiio also claims that they tested the fit of the earbuds with numerous artificial and real ears for long-term comfort and fit.  They are easy to find a good fit but I did need to have the felt covers on to really hear the bass.  Also, I found the metal mesh covering the driver to be uncomfortable after awhile if I didn’t use a foam cover.  Just a side note on the metal mesh: it seems to be very similar looking to the metal mesh design on the Awei ES10.  I don’t know if Awei had anything to do with Fiio on this project, but I thought it worth mentioning.  The black high-gloss plastic blends with a duller finish black plastic that seems to be of high-quality and I don’t have any concern for these falling apart or the earbuds pulling apart, exposing the driver.  The strain reliefs seem to be decent and the stems are fairly long, so I would imagine the connection to last (but I have no way to confirm this right now). 
 
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There is also a one-button inline remote that is compatible with Android and iPhones and various series of clicks produce various functions to include next track, previous track, play/pause, call answer, and end call.  The strain reliefs going in and out of the inline mic concern me some as they really don’t tighten around the thin cord and the cord moves around considerable as it enters and exits the mic.  Since I have had numerous issues with mic/cord issues over the years, I might be concerned about long-term reliability.   The inline remote seemed well placed near the mouth and my wife received calls that were clear, even on a windy day.  One of the problems I’ve had with inline remotes are mics that lie lower on the cord and rest on my shoulder.  This has caused microphonics and static and can be difficult to hear.  I had no problem with this on the Fiio EM3’s.
 
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As for the cord, Fiio has a picture of hands pulling the cord apart and Fiio claims the cord has high-elasticity and high tensile strength.  I don’t think I’ll try pulling on the cords like Fiio did, but I do like the feel of the cord.  Below the Y-split, the cord has a nice, solid feel without being sticky.  There does seem to be some memory but nothing too bad.  Above the Y-split, the cords are thinner but feel solid and well made.  I have seen some cords above the Y-split that are very thin and give me concern about reliability—these do not.  In addition, I listened to these while moving around on a windy day and did not notice much in the way of microphonics, which was surprising. 
 
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There is a 3.5mm gold-plated L-shaped jack that has a flexible strain relief that seems to be very well made.  I played with the jack connection at the strain relief and it moved freely and did seem effective in removing stress from the jack and cable connection.  This is a nice design as I found the Yuin jack poorly made and it seems to be a common source of failure (in other brands/designs as well).  Overall, the jack seems to be made for the long haul.
 
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Sound (with standard foam covers):
I would describe the sound of the Fiio EM3 as warm and dark with a boost in the lower region and laid back treble.  The mids are clear and enjoyable and seem to stand out despite the tuning towards popular music.  The detail level is mediocre and tends towards a “one-note” feel across the spectrum.  Before I move on to each area of the sound, I would like to mention that I am nitpicking a $9.99 earbud.  Overall, I felt these are excellent in terms of price to performance ratio.
 
Bass:
The sub-bass extends well and is present on most music I listened to, which was surprising for an earbud.  I have found it difficult to find an earbud with much in the way of sub-bass.  The sub-bass region seems to have more “slam” or “punch” compared to the mid-bass and seems boosted in comparison to the mid-bass.
 
The mid-bass region, which I have found many manufacturers to boost for popular tuning, actually seems more neutral than the sub-bass.  That being said, the mid-bass is still very present but doesn’t have the same “slam” as the sub-bass.  In my opinion, if the mid-bass was boosted more, the overall sound would sound muddier and would interfere with the clarity of the mids.  The mid-bass is still present enough that it gives the EM3’s a warm presentation that leans toward a darker sound.  I also noticed the bass lines in blues and rock had good quality and was very enjoyable.  Overall, I would say the mid-bass had more quality and the sub-bass more quantity.
 
Mids:
The presentation of the EM3’s mids are very enjoyable to me.  They have a warm presentation with nice detail and smooth vocals.  I enjoy the sound of electric guitars with these but would prefer more in the upper-mids and treble for rock music.  The EM3’s are still very enjoyable for about every type of music you could listen too, though.  I would say that the lower-mids are more of a positive than upper-mids.  Male voices had good detail and were very smooth whereas female voices were a little too rolled off for my taste.  It just seemed that there was less detail and crispness in the upper-mids.  I can say that these are not going to be too “hot” for anyone and will generally be very enjoyable for most people.
 
Treble: 
I can hear details in the mids but they seem boring to me.  There isn’t a crispness and they seemed tuned to be smooth and inoffensive.  The mids seem to stand out more than the treble and may be an indication of the mids overpowering the treble.  If you are sensitive to treble, these earbuds will be a good match as I really didn’t get any sibilance and found them to be very smooth and lack any shimmer in cymbals and brighter sounds.  I personally prefer a little more crispness in the treble, but overall the treble is well done, especially for a $10 earbud.  In fact, considering the price, these are pretty remarkable.
 
Soundstage:
I found the soundstage to be good but less than others I’ve heard.  The instrument separation is good but falls behind some other sets like the Blox BE3 in my opinion.  With songs panning from left to right or songs that lend towards soundstage, these are going to be middle to upper pack (at least out of the earbuds I have).  Maybe more treble presence would increase the soundstage. 
 
Sound (no cover): 
Forthcoming
 
Sound (donuts):
Forthcoming
 
Comparisons:
This section will compare the Fiio EM3, Blox BE3, Baldoor E100, Awei ES10, Sansa earbuds (came with Sansa Clip Zip), and Apple earbuds.  Initially, I will have the EM3, BE3, and E100 and will add the others later.  Once the Yuin PK3 cord is repaired, I will also include that one.  In addition, I will try to do comparison using felt pads, donuts, and no pads.  This section will be simple as it will be greatest to least with a few key observations.
 
W/Felt Pads:
  1. Sub-bass:                         EM3 > BE3 > E100
  2. Mid-bass:                         E100 > EM3 > BE3
  3. Bass Quality:                    BE3 = E100 > EM3
 
  1. Lower mids:                      BE3 > EM3 > E100
  2. Upper mids:                      BE3 > E100 > EM3
  3. Mids Quality:                    BE3 > EM3 > E100
 
  1. Treble                               BE3 = E100 > EM3
  1. Just a side note, the treble is very different between the BE3 and E100.  The E100 is much brighter and boosted whereas the BE3 is smoother but very clear.  They seem equal but in different ways to me.
  1. Treble Quality:                  BE3 > E100 > EM3
  2. Sparkle:                           E100 > BE3 > EM3
 
  1. Soundstage                      BE3 > EM3 = E100
  2. Separation:                       BE3 > EM3 = E100
  3. Detail:                              BE3 > E100 > EM3
  4. Comfort/Fit:                      EM3 > BE3 > E100
 
As you can see, I am quite impressed with the Blox BE3’s in comparison to the other earbuds.  The BE3’s have a very musical and immersive sound that I really enjoyed.  One thing to consider is that the BE3 costs about $35, the E100 $20, and the EM3 $9.99.  I can’t say that the BE3 is three times better than the EM3, it’s just smoother and more detailed with a larger soundstage.  As for the E100, I prefer the EM3 to the E100 due to the E100’s brightness.  The E100 seems like every area of its’ sound has been boosted, especially in the upper regions, which seems to boost detail but seemed unnatural at times.  In fact, there were some times that the E100 sounded strange, which my daughter described as “digital sounding”. 
 
W/ Donuts:
Forthcoming
 
No Pads:
Forthcoming

aiaosu

100+ Head-Fier
Pros: Great mids, instrument separation, and detail for the price. More balanced than previous generations of SR60's.
Cons: Bass not suited to electronic or pop type music; bass increases with amping but also becomes brighter (sibilant)
Initial Thoughts/Observations on Grado SR60e:
 
I just received the loaner SR60e's on Thursday (Todd from Todd The Vinyl Junkie (TTVJ) and haven't listened for very long yet.  I wanted to post a few initial thoughts and observations on them.  
 
First of all, I really love mids--guitars and vocals are what I really enjoy hearing.  The SR60i was my first journey into better listening and I still enjoy the SR60i but I've moved on.  The problem is, for the price, you get a lot of great sound.  At the same time, you get a hunger to find out what else is out there and start searching for your ideal "sound".  The Grado SR60i's have started me on a journey that may never end, but I appreciate them for that.
 
So, onto the SR60e.  These are still definitely Grado SR60's.  Grado has not re-invented the wheel here and the signature Grado sound with colored mids, really good instrument separation (in its price range), and sharp highs are still there.  I did notice that these like power; as I turned up the volume, the Grado's came alive.  They want power.  I'll try them with amping later and see if they scale up at all.  The main things I have noticed are more subtle changes, such as:
 
  1. Improved cord--it really looks pretty much the same but it has a more rubbery and pliable feel over my previous SR60's.  It seems less prone to kinking.  I'm not a fan of the plug as the large diameter of the plug housing interferes with phone cases, but it's solid.  
  2. Plastic feels different--the plastic cups FEEL different.  I really don't know how to describe this, but the plastic is very solid but very light.  It just feels different to me.  I don't know how this effects sound or if it does at all, but it seems different.
  3. Red Drivers--you can see the red coloring inside the cups that was not there before.  I'm not sure if this means a totally new driver, the same driver with different coloring, or just a new revision, but I can see the red.
  4. More "Neutral" Sound--these seemed slightly tuned in a more neutral way (for Grado, anyways) than the previous SR60's.  The mids seem clearer and there seems to be a slight better separation of bass-mids-treble.  The bass seems to sound great with some genre (rock, acoustic, metal) and terrible with others (pop and anything with electronic bass).  With some songs, I hear more timbre in the bass guitar and better quality mids than previously whereas I think the bass is worse for pop and electronic bass than it was before.  With pop music, the bass seems flat, muffled, and has very little kick even less than the SR60i, IMO.  At the same time, some songs are still harsh in the treble and I don't think the treble extends very high.  There's plenty of separation in the highs, but not a lot of extension.  I love the mids though.  Clear, warm, and great sounding.  With any kind of a soundstage at all, the mids would be outstanding.  
 
These are just a few observations I have and some of this may change as I listen more.  I'll say that if you love rock/metal/acoustic, these will sound great, especially for the money.  They still can have piercing highs and poor bass when it comes to electronic bass, but they aren't really designed for pop-type music.  My grandpa was a bricklayer and always said that universal tools can do many things, but they never do anything excellent.  If you want an excellent tool, you have to get one that is designed for a specific purpose.  These Grado's were designed for rock music and they do a great job of that.  As long as you remember that and that they only cost $80, you'll be fine.  Grado's aren't for everyone but I think Grado has done an admirable job of tweaking a few things that help their headphones do what they were designed to do even better--rock out to rock music.
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Follow-Up Review:
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Introduction:
I wanted to give a little background as to what I currently listen to and who I am, as it pertains to this review.  I’m just a music fan and grew up with my dad’s mid-fi Sansui receiver, Pioneer speakers, and Koss HV1A headphones.  Take my review with a grain of salt—my opinion is just that, an opinion.  Also, I didn’t end up having time to take any pics, so this review won’t contain any.  For the most part, there’s not a whole lot of difference in appearance from previous SR60’s. 
 
My preferred style of music is blues, blues rock, and guitar heavy music like classic rock.  I love the sound of music with great vocals, both male and female.  I tend to mix in some classical, pop, rap, and acoustic music.  I love mids but often listen to music out of my Hifiman HE-400’s as I love the instrument separation, detail, and quality bass in an open headphone.  I also listen to my TDK BA200’s, a dual armature IEM that I think has a great, warm, balanced sound with solid mids and vocals.  I mix in some TDK IE800’s that are dual dynamic which have a warmer sound than the BA200’s but doesn’t do female vocals as well but sounds great with guitar and the bass.
 
Packaging:
The new box is considerably smaller in dimension than the older, white pizza boxes the Grado’s used to come in.  The cardboard feels similar to the original pizza boxes but it feels more rigid and sturdy, probably due to the box being smaller.  The color is an almost tan base color with grey speckles throughout the background.  There’s a simple picture of Grado headphones on the front with simple labels. 
 
Once you open the box, there’s some warnings printed on the inside of the top of the box that tells you to “PLEASE READ”.  Folded over the top of the foam insert, covering the headphones, is a letter from the Grado family with their picture.  Once you move the letter out of the way, there’s a foam insert made of similar (or the same) foam as in previous packaging, cut to fit the Grado headphones. 
 
When you remove the headphones, you’ll notice a ¼” adapter included with the headphones as well as additional writing printed on the bottom inside of the box containing warranty information. Overall, I really like the new packaging and prefer the more rigid feeling box and smaller size of the box. 
 
Loudness:
I noticed that these new SR60e’s seem to want to be turned up.  They want to party and have fun.  The more you turn them up (and they can get loud!), the more they respond.  I tried a couple times to turn up the ‘phones and see if I could notice any distortion and I could not.  In fact, I couldn’t get near 100% volume as I couldn’t take it anymore.  I just don’t typically listen to music that loud.  But, if you like to kill your hearing and eardrums, you definitely can with these headphones and you’ll do it with crystal clear music.  I did listen to music louder than normal as I felt the SR60e’s didn’t sound as detailed and dynamic at low volume.
 
In the next section, I’ll give my observations from my iPhone 4S (unamped) and then my observations from my portable amp (BSG Cmoy 18V w/AD8620 through a ELE DAC EL-D02).  I mostly have FLAC files but I’m limited to 16/44.  I also utilized standard quality Spotify through both my iPhone and amped through my computer.  Overall, I didn’t notice much difference in the sound the Grado’s produced which tells me they are very friendly with low quality files.  My HE-400’s can reveal bad recordings that the Grado’s did not.
 
Unamped
 
Treble:
I actually enjoyed the treble on the SR60e’s more unamped than I did amped (see below).  For example, listening to Dire Straits “Communique” album, I really enjoyed Mark Knopfler’s picking but could hear the shimmer of the cymbals in the background and didn’t feel like they were piercing or took away from the song.   Some high notes from the electric guitar can be sibilant and piercing as the sound moves from higher mids to lower treble.  I know I cringed a few times when Knopfler hit high notes, especially on live recordings.  I think snare and toms sound decent on these as do high hats but I don’t think there’s much detail.  I thought there was decent separation between the sounds in the treble region, especially considering the price point. 
 
Mids:
I have always enjoyed the colored mids of Grado’s as it’s an aggressive sound for rock.  I really enjoy blues guitar and great guitar players.  IMO, with this new and improved SR60, that the mids balance better with the treble and bass.  My previous SR60i’s had a warmer sound and less balanced feel overall whereas these have become more even but still mid-centered (for Grado). 
 
So, again, with Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler’s picking guitar style, there was a warm, melodic sound to the guitar.  A few times, with the upper registers of his playing, I could hear some sibilance, but overall I enjoyed the warm sound.  There was a really nice timbre on the strings and you could hear a lot of the details of Knopfler’s playing as well as David Knopfler’s rhythm guitar in the background. 
 
Bass:
I can say that I like the bass much better amped.  In previous models, I couldn’t hear much improvement or change of the SR60 amped.  In this case, I hear a considerable change, especially in the bass.  For the most part, the bass is solid and present but it lacks depth to me.  I’m not sure how to describe it, but the sound was very one note and there was little decay in much of the bass guitar.  The bass sounds quick but it’s really just lacking in decay, IMO.  I can say that the bass sounds muffled to me and it definitely fades into the background.  This works on some recordings and not too well on others (and this is with rock; it gets bad with pop and bass heavy music). 
 
With CMOY 18V w/AD8620 through a ELE DAC EL-D02
 
Treble: 
I find the treble on these piercing on many songs.  As the SR60e’s want to be powered and turned up, the treble becomes very sibilant, especially in regards to cymbals and higher tone instruments.  I found the treble quality improved slightly with amping as opposed to unamped (I noticed it extended higher and had more detail) but to the detriment of the headphone as it was harder to listen to. 
 
For example, I turned on Joe Walsh’s “Turn to Stone” and found the high pitched guitar sequences too piercing whereas I noticed much more crunch and enjoyability when Walsh had a lower pitch that stayed in the mids. 
 
In regards to pop music, the high hats were just too much for me on some songs.  On The Weeknd’s “The Morning”, the highs were just too high and hard to enjoy the song.  It was a shame as I thought the bass was done pretty well as was Abel Tesfaye’s vocals.
 
Mids:
These were a real bright spot (and when I say bright, I mean even brighter).  The mids were solid and warm out of my iPhone 4S but became cooler out of my Cmoy.  I felt the entire presentation became less mids focused (in comparison to the original sound) and the mids were less prominent than before. 
 
That being said, the mids were still great as they are normally so forward as was the noticeable instrument separation.  I could hear the artist’s fingers sliding on the guitar on occasion and more “crunch” with certain artists.  Overall, I thought the mids were still great and very detailed but I preferred the warmer, softer, but still forward mids of the unamped SR60’s. 
 
Bass:
This was a real eye opener for me.  When unamped, I felt the bass was lacking and dull, especially electronic bass.  With my Cmoy, the bass came alive.  To be truthful, these aren’t for bass heads but they are outstanding quality bass with much more detail and thump than before (before meaning unamped).  Suddenly, I could hear the thump and the bass extended much deeper, including pop music.  I actually thought the bass on some pop songs was done better than many headphones I’ve heard if it wasn’t for the piercing highs.  When it came to electric guitar and kick drums, the bass was outstanding.  I could hear the artist’s sliding fingers and the decay of the bass guitar was great. 
 
Unamped, I felt the SR60e’s didn’t have any decay and were quick and one note, in a lot of cases.  (I’ve never considered the Grado’s as “fast”; I’ve always felt they just didn’t have much decay which made them sound quick/fast.  In comparison, I would consider my Hifiman HE-400’s much “faster”.)  With the Cmoy, the SR60e’s had really good quality decay and the character of the bass came out more.  This is truly amazing to me for a $80 pair of headphones as I have heard more expensive headphones that don’t do bass nearly as well. 
 
Soundstage:
I really haven’t noticed much change in the soundstage on these.  I’ve never been able to hear much, if any, soundstage in the SR60’s and still don’t.  They present more like IEM’s than open headphones.  I always wonder if I’m missing something when people say they like the soundstage of SR60’s as I think this is a weakness of these headphones. 
 
I personally don’t think soundstage is a make or break quality for headphones for me (although I do love the atmospheric sound of some that do have a great soundstage).  My AKG Q701’s had a huge soundstage but it sounded strange and almost fake or “colored”.  It’s like these Grado’s—they seem colored when it comes to mids as they’re designed to sound great with rock music.  The Q701’s sound wide and large in soundstage but it just sounds strange with some genre’s of music (I hope this makes sense). 
 
Conclusions:
At this point, I’m torn between amped and unamped.  I think that the SR60e’s sound great unamped, especially when it comes to rock and music that tends towards great mids (i.e. vocals and guitars).  I really love the blues and find these very enjoyable just out of my iPhone 4S streaming Spotify songs.  The mids are so warm and the highs are sibilant but not to the point of being unenjoyable (although some songs were—I skipped a couple songs.)  Unamped, the bass was one-note on a lot of songs and lacked the quality and detail I hoped for.  With rock music, the bass was sufficient and seems to reproduce bass guitars well.  With pop music, I thought these headphones were frankly pretty terrible. 
 
Now we have a small, portable amp connected to the SR60e’s and they change a bit.  I like the aggressiveness (they went from a pack of wolves hunting to a rabid dog) which is great for rock and metal.  The attack of the treble and mids became very aggressive.  Guitarists that pick are accentuated to where it is sometimes a bit much.  I love the jump up on the bass—much more thump, extension, and quality overall.  The problem was, the treble jumped up too and it’s just a bit much for me.  The mids seemed to step back a bit which makes the best characteristic of these ‘phones less a positive.  It would be like a beautiful woman putting a veil over her face—why cover up such a beautiful face? 
 
So, which is better—amped or unamped?  Either one depending on what you’re wanting.  The bottom line with these headphones is that they are aggressive and colored to start with and only become more that way, IMO.  If you want to rock out with rock music or metal, these are great.  If you want to kill your hearing in two minutes flat, these will do that too.  These bring me back to a day when I used to crank my dad’s speakers and sound system at home when he was at work in the late 70’s and early 80’s to his classic rock tapes and the radio.  I loved jumping around to Def Leopard, ACDC, and Metallica and feeling the walls shake.  The music was clear but loud and I imagined I was at a concert, standing next to one of the towers of speakers.  These headphones are like that.  They’re good for when I want to just crank up the music when no one’s around and rock out.  If that’s you, then these headphones are for you.  If you want something more subtle and well-rounded, these will probably not be your thing.  They may even annoy you.

aiaosu

100+ Head-Fier
Pros: BA200. Smooth, buttery bass, mids, treble...warm sound...comfort...value...great detail...
Cons: BA200. Y-split is huge and snags easy...flat cable...straight plug...accessories...
TDK IE800 VS. BA200
 
IE800 $40-90 (Discontinued by manufacturer)
BA200  $55-120 (Discontinued by manufacturer)
(on Head-fi, Ebay, and Amazon) 
Some have even found these at Ross and TJ Maxx for $10-20.
 
Packaging:
Pretty much the same packaging for both IEM’s.  If both packages were side-by-side, you’d probably have to read the labels pretty carefully to tell the difference.  The packaging is black with gold accents in a small, cardboard box with every language known to man on the box.  The box is busy, in my opinion, and the only thing that is clear is the TDK label.  There is also a clear, plastic cover that you can view the IEM’s inside the box.  Another way to keep costs down—make the boxes simple and generic.
 

Both boxes look identical....
 

Again, same boxes....
 

There it is, bottom left corner...
 

Same place, different model...
 
Accessories:
To be finished soon.  Will also add pics at the same time.
 

IE800 accessories...not much there...
 

BA200 accessories...very similar...
tips slightly different...bigger booklet
 
Build:
The IE800 has a very simple and large build. The housings are large, barrel shaped plastic that seemed to be glued together.  They really don’t look like they would last very long, but I haven’t had any issues after using them for several months straight.  On the rear of the housing is a circular silver metal looking plate.  At the base of the housing at the semi-strain relief (I say this because there really isn’t a strain relief but the way the housings taper down appear to act as a strain relief) is an “L” and “R” that are difficult to see and starts to wear off.   There is a flat cord that is prone to tangling but works decently.  It also seems to be pretty well made although it may not feel that way.  The Y-split works well, seems solid, and has a round slider attached that I find doesn’t stay put very well and tends to slide back down the cord.   It also has a straight plug that works fairly well and is thin but I do prefer an angled plug.  There is very little in the way of strain relief for the plug or the  housing but the cord seems to be seated tightly and doesn’t seem to move. 
 

Big barrel housings...
 

Round silver plates...no strain reliefs?
 

Closer pic...small "L" is hard to see
 

Y-split is reasonable and sturdy...
 

Straight plug....small strain relief
 
In comparison, the BA200 seems to be made well but is all plastic and doesn’t feel high-quality.  The BA200 has a shiny black plastic finish that contrasts the matte black of the IE800.  It appears to be two halves glued together in a similar construction to the IE800.  There is a gold-colored ring at the base of the BA200 where the cord exits the housing.  These rings have started to come loose on my pair and will slide down the cord.  They don’t seem to have a practical purpose (maybe covered an exposed seam to add strength, if anything) and are more for looks.  You can re-attach the rings with a small dab of glue or adhesive, but I think they will probably become unseated occasionally.  The cord and straight plug are exactly the same as the IE800.  As for the Y-split, it’s massive on the BA200 because it contains a transducer.  I normally don’t mind the large Y-split (and equally matched slider) but, on occasion, it does remind me it’s there and starts banging away at my chest and grabs a table, clothes, or anything else it feels like grabbing.  I’ve read that others are trying to find a way to move the transducer inside of the housings on custom molds, but I don’t know that anyone has done it yet (I think there is a Japanese fellow that has tried it).  The BA200 also has an “L” and “R” printed on the housings which I also find hard to see.  I haven’t experienced them rubbing off or wearing down though. 
 

Smaller housings...velvet bag
 

Simple construction...attractive
 

Straight tip barrel...."L" on housing...
hard to see at night
 

Other side of BA200....strain relief
 

Gold ring coming off...annoying
 

Huge y-split w/transducer and slider...
 

Relative size comparison...
 

Same straight plug...
 
I believe this is how TDK saves money and keeps costs down.  By essentially having the same construction with both IEM’s (and some of the other TDK models), they can spend most of the money on developing, tuning, and selling these at a low cost.  TDK might want to consider, in the future, spending some of the money they save on marketing, though.  Hardly anyone seems to know about these.
 

Comparison between the two TDK's
 

Size comparison to 30 pin Apple plug...
 
Driver Flex:
I also noticed considerable driver flex with the IE800’s probably due to the dual-dynamic drivers and large plastic housings.   This is also accentuated by the sheer size of the housings as the weight of them can pull down and unseat in your ear.  I find these comfortable but annoying as they become dislodged slightly. 
 
The BA200’s, being dual-BA drivers, don’t exhibit driver flex.
 
Isolation:
The IE800’s can isolate well, depending on how deep you can get a good seal/insertion.  With the Comply tips, I get a really good seal with pretty deep insertion and experience good isolation.  If someone is speaking to me, without music, while experiencing a good seal, I find the words muffled and I must remove the IEM’s to hear all the words they are speaking.
 
The BA200’s are very similar in isolation to the IE800’s as they will not seal as deeply.  Although the BA200 is a dual-BA that doesn’t need venting like the dual-dynamics, it’s mere design lends itself to a shallower insertion.  I also haven’t found tips that seal as well as the IE800, so this could change down the road.  From my experience, though, this is what I have found.
 
Microphonics:
I really don’t notice much in the way of microphonics with the IE800’s when the cable is worn down, but I typically don’t use IEM’s moving around.  I wouldn’t try to wear the cord over the ear on the IE800’s as they are already large and that would make them even more awkward.  By comparison, I have a pair of Vsonic GR02 BE that have considerable more microphonics in their cord, which I like a lot better than the flat cord on the IE800 and BA200. 
 
As for microphonics with the BA200, I haven’t noticed any when worn over the ear.  These are designed to be worn over the ear but I’ve found they work fine with the cord straight down.  Again, I don’t typically move around a lot with IEM’s and can’t comment on wind or noise from clothing, but it hasn’t been anything I’ve noticed to be a problem.
 
Sound:
I would describe the IE800’s as warm, balanced IEM’s.  They reproduce instruments in the midrange very clearly and with detail.   I like the warm, more mid-focused tuning of the TDK’s in general.  I found the BA200’s as more balanced and neutral than the IE800’s but still remained warm sounding, with a focus on the mids.
 
Bass:
With the standard silicon tips provided by TDK I was not impressed with the IE800.  I felt the bass was very good quality and seemed to be present but something was missing.  The bass didn’t seem to extend very deeply, which was strange as these are dual-dynamic headphones.  I also noticed the treble to be harsher with these tips to the point of sibilant.  The IEM’s seemed to have a completely different sound with these tips.  I didn’t mind the sound as much as some might as I found it similar to a Grado sound that I do enjoy.  I know that sound is a love or hate thing, though. 
 
I then changed to some Vsonic Hybrid tips I had.  These fit much better but the bass still seemed to be missing.  I did get more impact from the bass but I was surprised the bass seemed recessed compared to the mids and treble.  The treble seemed to settle down compared to the standard silicon tips though.
 
After the Hybrids, I switched to Comply T-400 tips and there it was—the bass.  These IEM’s are, by no means, bass monsters.  I do think they have a very full, quality bass that extends pretty deep.  What they lack is in the impact area.  I have some Vsonic GR02 Bass Edition IEM’s that have much more impact in the bass, although it seems focused on mid-bass with the Vsonics.  The IE800’s are much more balanced and extend deeper, in my opinion.   I think the bass does blend a little into the midrange, but nothing extensive and it does seem to give a warmer sound.  The timbre on these is awesome.  I really love the way a bass guitar decays.  These sound great with blues and rock, which I love.
 
As for the BA200’s, the bass is quality but definitely lacks the punch or impact of the IE800’s.  The dynamic driver in the IE800’s for bass just reproduce bass better, IMO (I say that from a personal standpoint and not a technical one).  I did notice that the dual flange tips kept pushing back out of my ears, indicating a poor fit.  I could make them fit, but still didn’t get a good seal as the bass was very light and seemed to be missing.  I have since switched to Vsonic Hybrid tips that seem to seal well and have a good compromise.  I’m considering trying Westone Star tips as I hear these may work very well.
 
Where the BA200’s definitely win is in the area of smoothness.  There’s no crossover into the mids and the sound is much cleaner but not as warm.  That being said, these are still warm sounding.  At the same time, for such a balanced IEM (comparatively to the IE800; actually, the BA200’s are still warmer and more mids focused than neutral ‘phones I’ve heard; i.e. AKG Q701) the BA200’s are very warm while remaining clean.  I can pull out more details in the bass than the IE800’s but have to say I just LIKE the IE800’s bass better.  I do enjoy the timbre and decay more with the IE800’s and find the BA’s sound a lot quicker in the area of decay. 
 
Mids:
I really love the mids on the IE800’s and love mids in general.  There are probably more forward IEM’s when it comes to mids out there, but these just do a great job reproducing male vocals and guitars.  I really enjoy the blues and can hear the crunch and nuances in different guitar styles from Buddy Guy to Eric Clapton to Freddie King, etc.  I just like the warm sound and I think the mids blend well into the treble.  I enjoyed female vocals with these but didn’t think they were done as well as male vocals and I think that may have to do with the treble and upper-mids.  If I listen to Adele, I think the vocals sound nice, but women with higher tones not as much.
 
In comparison to the BA200’s, these seem to reproduce the lower mids better and sound warmer.  With the BA200’s, they seem more balanced, overall, and better represented the entire range of mids.  Female vocals sound great with the BA200’s but can also do male vocals well.  There’s a certain smoothness that probably has a lot to do with the dual BA’s.  I just don’t have much to compare to as I don’t have other BA IEM’s.  Across the entire range, the BA200’s are great for mids and seem to flow smoothly from the bass to the mids to the treble without as much crossing over into each frequency. 
 
Treble:
I wouldn’t describe the IE800’s as bright and, compared to the BA200’s, really lack something.  The treble on these are much more subtle.  The BA200’s are much smoother and have much more detailed highs without being fatiguing.  I think my Vsonic GR02BE’s can get fatiguing with the highs, if that helps at all.  Don’t get me wrong, they’re still quality, I just don’t think the IE800’s extend very high.  Something seems to be missing up top.  At the same time, I can listen to these for hours without fatigue and have listened to them for hours (even as I write this).  Having said that, tip selection has a lot to do with the treble/bass balance on these.  Using the provided silicon tips, I found the treble much brighter and even sibilant and would say these are detailed with good separation of instruments.
 
As for the BA200, the treble is smooth and buttery with good extension and detail/separation.  Very well done.  If you enjoy quality mids and treble, these are great IEM’s.  These are easy to listen to many different genres, from classical, to rock, to acoustical, etc.  I really love vocal harmonies as they give me the chills.  For example, I’m not a big country fan but the vocals in “Sweet Annie” from The Zac Brown Band sound awesome as does Allison Krauss and Union Station.  “All The Little Lights” from Passenger reveal all the details without being bright while Michael Rosenberg’s voice blends perfectly together.  This song, on the IE800’s, sounds either too bright or dull, depending on the tips used.  Rosenberg’s voice is nice with the IE800’s but lacks the detail, smoothness, and clarity of the BA200’s.  There’s a rawness to the IE800’s that’s nice, but the IE800 really shines with rock and blues.  The BA200 doesn’t specialize as much and just sounds good with everything thrown at it. 
 
Amping:
Both of these IEM’s benefit some from amping.  The IE800’s really liked the low gain setting from my BSG 18V Cmoy with AD8620 running through an ELE DAC 02.  The bass was much fuller with more impact while the treble blended better.  The sound level is also considerably higher with an amp as the IE800’s do take a few extra clicks on the volume to be at the same level as other IEM’s (i.e. Vsonic GR02’s).   Overall, the IE800’s didn’t benefit as much from amping as the BA200.
 
The BA200’s jumped up a notch, to me with amping.  The impact on the bass came on and started approaching the dual-dynamics while still maintaining the excellent detail, separation, and clarity of the dual BA’s.  Awesome.  Also, the mids and treble are still buttery smooth and sound even warmer with the additional bass. 
 
With amping, I much prefer the BA200’s for general listening and find that these are hard to beat.  They even produced bass well for rap and R & B but not to a basshead level.  I still enjoy the IE800’s for rock and blues and enjoy them even more with amping, but can’t switch genres as effectively, IMO.  I do rotate these two IEM’s regularly and enjoy both for different reasons.  Both have similar tuning to one another but with a much different presentation. 
 
Conclusion:
Both of these IEM’s have been discontinued by TDK, so I’m not sure what kind of supply is still available.  I’ve heard that the prices may be going up on the BA200’s as they are fairly popular for those of us who have tried them, but they should still be considerably affordable, even with increased prices.  The IE800’s, on the other hand, seem to be relatively unknown and can be found for some amazing prices (I bought a pair, almost new, for $42) while others have even found them at Ross for around $10-20.  I don’t see how it’s possible to beat that kind of a deal.  If you can find a deal for the BA200’s, jump on them as they are an outstanding IEM. 
 
Both of these IEM’s have similar tuning, with a focus on mids, high levels of detail and separation, with a  generic build and packaging.  I love the way TDK tunes their headphones and would definitely look at other TDK options such as new designs, full-size, or even speakers.  They provide a high quality sound at a low price.  These are not fancy headphones—these are headphones that sound good for those of us that can’t afford premium prices.  TDK does make me wonder about price markup in the industry and seems to push the envelope on pricing strategies.  Bottom line, I think TDK has horrible marketing that combines with cheap, generic packaging that draws few people to the brand.  In addition, for those of us old enough, I remember TDK to be a cheap brand that made cheap cassette tapes for making mix tapes off the radio.  They may not be aware of how some may view their brand, but they probably need to find out and change it because they have some excellent products worthy of consideration. 
 
Bottom line:  do not hesitate to pick up either of these IEM’s.  If you love rock/guitars/blues, you can’t go wrong with the IE800’s, especially for the price.  If you want an all-arounder and would like to try your hand at a dual-BA sound, the BA200’s do everything well, although they probably won’t ever be number 1 in any specific genre or category.  I have yet to see a dual-BA compete in price with the BA200, with the exception maybe being the Sony XBA-2.  I haven’t tried the XBA-2 and don’t know what the original Sony BA sounds like, so I can’t comment on the value there.  There are some Chinese dual BA’s and hybrids being released that push the price to performance ratio, but I would put the BA200’s against any of them (even though I haven’t personally tried them).
 
For more information on various IEM’s, check out:
  1. “ljokerl”—has some outstanding reviews and reviews many IEM’s.  I’ve found his reviews to be outstanding and spot-on for the IEM’s I’ve listened to.
  1. http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone-list/
  2. http://www.head-fi.org/t/478568/multi-iem-review-315-iems-compared-t-peos-popular-added-04-30-14-p-901
 
  1. “clieos”—also has some great reviews of IEM’s and other items and has moved them onto his own site.  If you look him up on Head-fi, you can see the list of headphones he owns in his profile.  Pretty extensive list.
  1. http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone-list/
 
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Pros: IE800 Good detailed sound, awesome with guitars and male vocals, great price, ....
Cons: IE800 Very dependent on tip selection, driver flex, can sound recessed or sibilant depending on tips, concerned about long-term durability.
TDK IE800 VS. BA200
 
IE800 $40-90 (Discontinued by manufacturer)
BA200  $55-120 (Discontinued by manufacturer)
(on Head-fi, Ebay, and Amazon) 
Some have even found these at Ross and TJ Maxx for $10-20.
 
Packaging:
Pretty much the same packaging for both IEM’s.  If both packages were side-by-side, you’d probably have to read the labels pretty carefully to tell the difference.  The packaging is black with gold accents in a small, cardboard box with every language known to man on the box.  The box is busy, in my opinion, and the only thing that is clear is the TDK label.  There is also a clear, plastic cover that you can view the IEM’s inside the box.  Another way to keep costs down—make the boxes simple and generic.
 

Both boxes look identical....
 

Again, same boxes....
 

There it is, bottom left corner...
 

Same place, different model...
 
Accessories:
To be finished soon.  Will also add pics at the same time.
 

IE800 accessories...not much there...
 

BA200 accessories...very similar...
tips slightly different...bigger booklet
 
Build:
The IE800 has a very simple and large build. The housings are large, barrel shaped plastic that seemed to be glued together.  They really don’t look like they would last very long, but I haven’t had any issues after using them for several months straight.  On the rear of the housing is a circular silver metal looking plate.  At the base of the housing at the semi-strain relief (I say this because there really isn’t a strain relief but the way the housings taper down appear to act as a strain relief) is an “L” and “R” that are difficult to see and starts to wear off.   There is a flat cord that is prone to tangling but works decently.  It also seems to be pretty well made although it may not feel that way.  The Y-split works well, seems solid, and has a round slider attached that I find doesn’t stay put very well and tends to slide back down the cord.   It also has a straight plug that works fairly well and is thin but I do prefer an angled plug.  There is very little in the way of strain relief for the plug or the  housing but the cord seems to be seated tightly and doesn’t seem to move. 
 

Big barrel housings...
 

Round silver plates...no strain reliefs?
 

Closer pic...small "L" is hard to see
 

Y-split is reasonable and sturdy...
 

Straight plug....small strain relief
 
In comparison, the BA200 seems to be made well but is all plastic and doesn’t feel high-quality.  The BA200 has a shiny black plastic finish that contrasts the matte black of the IE800.  It appears to be two halves glued together in a similar construction to the IE800.  There is a gold-colored ring at the base of the BA200 where the cord exits the housing.  These rings have started to come loose on my pair and will slide down the cord.  They don’t seem to have a practical purpose (maybe covered an exposed seam to add strength, if anything) and are more for looks.  You can re-attach the rings with a small dab of glue or adhesive, but I think they will probably become unseated occasionally.  The cord and straight plug are exactly the same as the IE800.  As for the Y-split, it’s massive on the BA200 because it contains a transducer.  I normally don’t mind the large Y-split (and equally matched slider) but, on occasion, it does remind me it’s there and starts banging away at my chest and grabs a table, clothes, or anything else it feels like grabbing.  I’ve read that others are trying to find a way to move the transducer inside of the housings on custom molds, but I don’t know that anyone has done it yet (I think there is a Japanese fellow that has tried it).  The BA200 also has an “L” and “R” printed on the housings which I also find hard to see.  I haven’t experienced them rubbing off or wearing down though. 
 

Smaller housings...velvet bag
 

Simple construction...attractive
 

Straight tip barrel...."L" on housing...
hard to see at night
 

Other side of BA200....strain relief
 

Gold ring coming off...annoying
 

Huge y-split w/transducer and slider...
 

Relative size comparison...
 

Same straight plug...
 
I believe this is how TDK saves money and keeps costs down.  By essentially having the same construction with both IEM’s (and some of the other TDK models), they can spend most of the money on developing, tuning, and selling these at a low cost.  TDK might want to consider, in the future, spending some of the money they save on marketing, though.  Hardly anyone seems to know about these.
 

Comparison between the two TDK's
 

Size comparison to 30 pin Apple plug...
 
Driver Flex:
I also noticed considerable driver flex with the IE800’s probably due to the dual-dynamic drivers and large plastic housings.   This is also accentuated by the sheer size of the housings as the weight of them can pull down and unseat in your ear.  I find these comfortable but annoying as they become dislodged slightly. 
 
The BA200’s, being dual-BA drivers, don’t exhibit driver flex.
 
Isolation:
The IE800’s can isolate well, depending on how deep you can get a good seal/insertion.  With the Comply tips, I get a really good seal with pretty deep insertion and experience good isolation.  If someone is speaking to me, without music, while experiencing a good seal, I find the words muffled and I must remove the IEM’s to hear all the words they are speaking.
 
The BA200’s are very similar in isolation to the IE800’s as they will not seal as deeply.  Although the BA200 is a dual-BA that doesn’t need venting like the dual-dynamics, it’s mere design lends itself to a shallower insertion.  I also haven’t found tips that seal as well as the IE800, so this could change down the road.  From my experience, though, this is what I have found.
 
Microphonics:
I really don’t notice much in the way of microphonics with the IE800’s when the cable is worn down, but I typically don’t use IEM’s moving around.  I wouldn’t try to wear the cord over the ear on the IE800’s as they are already large and that would make them even more awkward.  By comparison, I have a pair of Vsonic GR02 BE that have considerable more microphonics in their cord, which I like a lot better than the flat cord on the IE800 and BA200. 
 
As for microphonics with the BA200, I haven’t noticed any when worn over the ear.  These are designed to be worn over the ear but I’ve found they work fine with the cord straight down.  Again, I don’t typically move around a lot with IEM’s and can’t comment on wind or noise from clothing, but it hasn’t been anything I’ve noticed to be a problem.
 
Sound:
I would describe the IE800’s as warm, balanced IEM’s.  They reproduce instruments in the midrange very clearly and with detail.   I like the warm, more mid-focused tuning of the TDK’s in general.  I found the BA200’s as more balanced and neutral than the IE800’s but still remained warm sounding, with a focus on the mids.
 
Bass:
With the standard silicon tips provided by TDK I was not impressed with the IE800.  I felt the bass was very good quality and seemed to be present but something was missing.  The bass didn’t seem to extend very deeply, which was strange as these are dual-dynamic headphones.  I also noticed the treble to be harsher with these tips to the point of sibilant.  The IEM’s seemed to have a completely different sound with these tips.  I didn’t mind the sound as much as some might as I found it similar to a Grado sound that I do enjoy.  I know that sound is a love or hate thing, though. 
 
I then changed to some Vsonic Hybrid tips I had.  These fit much better but the bass still seemed to be missing.  I did get more impact from the bass but I was surprised the bass seemed recessed compared to the mids and treble.  The treble seemed to settle down compared to the standard silicon tips though.
 
After the Hybrids, I switched to Comply T-400 tips and there it was—the bass.  These IEM’s are, by no means, bass monsters.  I do think they have a very full, quality bass that extends pretty deep.  What they lack is in the impact area.  I have some Vsonic GR02 Bass Edition IEM’s that have much more impact in the bass, although it seems focused on mid-bass with the Vsonics.  The IE800’s are much more balanced and extend deeper, in my opinion.   I think the bass does blend a little into the midrange, but nothing extensive and it does seem to give a warmer sound.  The timbre on these is awesome.  I really love the way a bass guitar decays.  These sound great with blues and rock, which I love.
 
As for the BA200’s, the bass is quality but definitely lacks the punch or impact of the IE800’s.  The dynamic driver in the IE800’s for bass just reproduce bass better, IMO (I say that from a personal standpoint and not a technical one).  I did notice that the dual flange tips kept pushing back out of my ears, indicating a poor fit.  I could make them fit, but still didn’t get a good seal as the bass was very light and seemed to be missing.  I have since switched to Vsonic Hybrid tips that seem to seal well and have a good compromise.  I’m considering trying Westone Star tips as I hear these may work very well.
 
Where the BA200’s definitely win is in the area of smoothness.  There’s no crossover into the mids and the sound is much cleaner but not as warm.  That being said, these are still warm sounding.  At the same time, for such a balanced IEM (comparatively to the IE800; actually, the BA200’s are still warmer and more mids focused than neutral ‘phones I’ve heard; i.e. AKG Q701) the BA200’s are very warm while remaining clean.  I can pull out more details in the bass than the IE800’s but have to say I just LIKE the IE800’s bass better.  I do enjoy the timbre and decay more with the IE800’s and find the BA’s sound a lot quicker in the area of decay. 
 
Mids:
I really love the mids on the IE800’s and love mids in general.  There are probably more forward IEM’s when it comes to mids out there, but these just do a great job reproducing male vocals and guitars.  I really enjoy the blues and can hear the crunch and nuances in different guitar styles from Buddy Guy to Eric Clapton to Freddie King, etc.  I just like the warm sound and I think the mids blend well into the treble.  I enjoyed female vocals with these but didn’t think they were done as well as male vocals and I think that may have to do with the treble and upper-mids.  If I listen to Adele, I think the vocals sound nice, but women with higher tones not as much.
 
In comparison to the BA200’s, these seem to reproduce the lower mids better and sound warmer.  With the BA200’s, they seem more balanced, overall, and better represented the entire range of mids.  Female vocals sound great with the BA200’s but can also do male vocals well.  There’s a certain smoothness that probably has a lot to do with the dual BA’s.  I just don’t have much to compare to as I don’t have other BA IEM’s.  Across the entire range, the BA200’s are great for mids and seem to flow smoothly from the bass to the mids to the treble without as much crossing over into each frequency. 
 
Treble:
I wouldn’t describe the IE800’s as bright and, compared to the BA200’s, really lack something.  The treble on these are much more subtle.  The BA200’s are much smoother and have much more detailed highs without being fatiguing.  I think my Vsonic GR02BE’s can get fatiguing with the highs, if that helps at all.  Don’t get me wrong, they’re still quality, I just don’t think the IE800’s extend very high.  Something seems to be missing up top.  At the same time, I can listen to these for hours without fatigue and have listened to them for hours (even as I write this).  Having said that, tip selection has a lot to do with the treble/bass balance on these.  Using the provided silicon tips, I found the treble much brighter and even sibilant and would say these are detailed with good separation of instruments.
 
As for the BA200, the treble is smooth and buttery with good extension and detail/separation.  Very well done.  If you enjoy quality mids and treble, these are great IEM’s.  These are easy to listen to many different genres, from classical, to rock, to acoustical, etc.  I really love vocal harmonies as they give me the chills.  For example, I’m not a big country fan but the vocals in “Sweet Annie” from The Zac Brown Band sound awesome as does Allison Krauss and Union Station.  “All The Little Lights” from Passenger reveal all the details without being bright while Michael Rosenberg’s voice blends perfectly together.  This song, on the IE800’s, sounds either too bright or dull, depending on the tips used.  Rosenberg’s voice is nice with the IE800’s but lacks the detail, smoothness, and clarity of the BA200’s.  There’s a rawness to the IE800’s that’s nice, but the IE800 really shines with rock and blues.  The BA200 doesn’t specialize as much and just sounds good with everything thrown at it. 
 
Amping:
Both of these IEM’s benefit some from amping.  The IE800’s really liked the low gain setting from my BSG 18V Cmoy with AD8620 running through an ELE DAC 02.  The bass was much fuller with more impact while the treble blended better.  The sound level is also considerably higher with an amp as the IE800’s do take a few extra clicks on the volume to be at the same level as other IEM’s (i.e. Vsonic GR02’s).   Overall, the IE800’s didn’t benefit as much from amping as the BA200.
 
The BA200’s jumped up a notch, to me with amping.  The impact on the bass came on and started approaching the dual-dynamics while still maintaining the excellent detail, separation, and clarity of the dual BA’s.  Awesome.  Also, the mids and treble are still buttery smooth and sound even warmer with the additional bass. 
 
With amping, I much prefer the BA200’s for general listening and find that these are hard to beat.  They even produced bass well for rap and R & B but not to a basshead level.  I still enjoy the IE800’s for rock and blues and enjoy them even more with amping, but can’t switch genres as effectively, IMO.  I do rotate these two IEM’s regularly and enjoy both for different reasons.  Both have similar tuning to one another but with a much different presentation. 
 
Conclusion:
Both of these IEM’s have been discontinued by TDK, so I’m not sure what kind of supply is still available.  I’ve heard that the prices may be going up on the BA200’s as they are fairly popular for those of us who have tried them, but they should still be considerably affordable, even with increased prices.  The IE800’s, on the other hand, seem to be relatively unknown and can be found for some amazing prices (I bought a pair, almost new, for $42) while others have even found them at Ross for around $10-20.  I don’t see how it’s possible to beat that kind of a deal.  If you can find a deal for the BA200’s, jump on them as they are an outstanding IEM. 
 
Both of these IEM’s have similar tuning, with a focus on mids, high levels of detail and separation, with a  generic build and packaging.  I love the way TDK tunes their headphones and would definitely look at other TDK options such as new designs, full-size, or even speakers.  They provide a high quality sound at a low price.  These are not fancy headphones—these are headphones that sound good for those of us that can’t afford premium prices.  TDK does make me wonder about price markup in the industry and seems to push the envelope on pricing strategies.  Bottom line, I think TDK has horrible marketing that combines with cheap, generic packaging that draws few people to the brand.  In addition, for those of us old enough, I remember TDK to be a cheap brand that made cheap cassette tapes for making mix tapes off the radio.  They may not be aware of how some may view their brand, but they probably need to find out and change it because they have some excellent products worthy of consideration. 
 
Bottom line:  do not hesitate to pick up either of these IEM’s.  If you love rock/guitars/blues, you can’t go wrong with the IE800’s, especially for the price.  If you want an all-arounder and would like to try your hand at a dual-BA sound, the BA200’s do everything well, although they probably won’t ever be number 1 in any specific genre or category.  I have yet to see a dual-BA compete in price with the BA200, with the exception maybe being the Sony XBA-2.  I haven’t tried the XBA-2 and don’t know what the original Sony BA sounds like, so I can’t comment on the value there.  There are some Chinese dual BA’s and hybrids being released that push the price to performance ratio, but I would put the BA200’s against any of them (even though I haven’t personally tried them).
 
For more information on various IEM’s, check out:
  1. “ljokerl”—has some outstanding reviews and reviews many IEM’s.  I’ve found his reviews to be outstanding and spot-on for the IEM’s I’ve listened to.
  1. http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone-list/
  2. http://www.head-fi.org/t/478568/multi-iem-review-315-iems-compared-t-peos-popular-added-04-30-14-p-901
 
  1. “clieos”—also has some great reviews of IEM’s and other items and has moved them onto his own site.  If you look him up on Head-fi, you can see the list of headphones he owns in his profile.  Pretty extensive list.
  1. http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone-list/
 
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