Astell&Kern A&ultima SP3000T
May 4, 2024 at 5:17 PM Post #76 of 129
Okay spent some time with my ZMF headphones and both SP3K and Cayin and was pleasantly surprised with the results. My comparison was SP3K vs SP3KT tube and Cayin Classic tube mode. Quick observations:

Cayin scaled more, I would say 50% volume gave me all the power I needed however at 75% power on AK delivered. So all did very well handling ZMF.

Here where I landed personally as I compared Caldera Redheart and Atrium Open.

Caldera:
- SPK3T delivered more low end punch, and fantastic sound stage.
- SPK3K delivered similar staging but slightly less punch
- Cayin was great but trailed both AK headphones

Atrium Open
- SP3K delivered greatest soundstage experience and punch was similar to SP3KT
- SPK3T was still outstanding but not quite matching SP3K

I found for ZMF headphones AK was more musical and engaging and provided enough power to deliver an amazing experience. Cayin was great, but didn’t match AK (Cayin was slightly flatter and reference)
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Thanks a lot for your report, will get the 3000T a listen 😉
 
May 4, 2024 at 9:00 PM Post #77 of 129
Does anyone else notice the tubes to be slightly off centered within the cutout?

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May 5, 2024 at 2:26 PM Post #78 of 129
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Some very early thoughts on SP3000T.

I took note of the issues people reported with wifi here and on other platforms. As I mentioned in a previous post, I am in the lucky position that I have a mesh network set up in my house with gigabit fibre feeding it.

In this environment, I have had no issues with wifi signal strength or the speed of the device when streaming. If I move the slider in a track, the response is instant. Being mindful that I might be lucky here, I connected the DAP to a hotspot on my phone, which was connected to a mobile network.

When I did speed tests on my phone, it had a 4G connection at the time, and it was varying between 2 and 9mbps during a few tests. In these conditions, I saw delays in Tidal when I scrolled through a track. You get a spinning circle for a few seconds before the track catches up and plays. You will have to make what you will of that and relate it to your own circumstances. I am just reporting my experience, hopefully fairly, rather than passing judgment on the wifi capabilities of the device. I don't think it is fair to say the device has weak wifi, but it is probably fair to say in some network conditions, it does? I will compare to my RS8 with both connected to the same mobile hotspot and see how both devices perform when I get a chance.

The last A&K device I owned was the SP2000. I have had the chance to demo the SP3000 a number of times over the last few years. I didn't pay much attention to the UI during these demos, just the SQ, but now I have the SP3000T in my hand, it feels like it is lightyears ahead of the SP2000. The SP3000 may also be like this, I don't know, but my impressions are based on the often frustrating UX SP2000 offered.

Everything is really slick in normal use. I found adding an SD card with a lot of music on it to be a little slow, but when added, it was snappy to navigate through the music.

I have been somewhat softened to owning a DAP with tubes in the sense I have had the Cayin N3 Ultra for the last few weeks here. To be clear, though, I baby all my equipment, so adding tubes into the mix hasn't really changed how I personally handle a device. I am not out jogging with a DAP or anything like that. I walk around my house, cook, clean etc and walk around the office, but I think my devices have an easy life! I have had no issues so far related to the tubes or handling the device. I have read the previous comment about about the ringing sound. I will see can I replicate it.

SP2000T didn't have a great time with interference. Cayin went to a lot of hassle to remove all radios from the N3 Ultra to ensure this wasn't an issue. I was a little concerned that the SP3000T may have similar issues, considering it has wireless radios and can stream and so on, so I have really been focussed on that side of things to see if I could pick up anything. For me, streaming on Tidal introduces no noise that I can pick up. I have done my best to stress test it, chopping and changing tracks, doing everything I could to force it to have to download data to play a track, and there has been nothing of note for me so far.

When I position my iPhone in certain places, I can hear it interfering with the sound. But this is no worse than any other DAP I own and it seems better protected from this type of interference than my RS8 is. For now, anyway, I can't fault it.

So enough of the possible faults and on to the sound. I think that, overall, it has a fairly unique sound in the DAP world, and the only other device I have heard that is somewhat similar, funnily enough, is the N3 Ultra. Before people get the pitchforks ready, I am not saying they are the same; they just share a lot of characteristics that come with a tube sound and the AKM family of DACs.

There is a dense, analogue tone to stringed instruments and drums. I think it would be easy to say it's warmth, but there is more to it than that. As the device is using a high end Delta Sigma DAC, notes still have tons of detail and don't sound rounded like many warm sources make things. Decay is slower, but the attack is just as sharp. I mainly listen to R2R sources, and to me, the SP3000T still has the characteristics of a DS DAC first and foremost. It can be an intense listen at times, and the DAR function, while impressive, can add even more punch.

Vocals stand out for me as they, for the most part, don't seem too coloured by the tubes. Instruments are for sure, and you can enjoy the results of that, but when I listen to vocals, they are detailed and present as you would expect from a totl DAP. Detail levels are high. You won't come away feeling like it is the most detailed DAP, but you won't leave wanting more, either. It creates a very engaging listen.

Technical aspects such as layering and soundstage dimensions are good, but to be honest, I haven't really cared or focussed that so far. If it is an absolute for you, you will probably want to look elsewhere. It just isn't what this device is about for me. It does enough on all fronts to make you feel like you are not missing out, but the USP of a tube sound is what it offers. If you like that type of sound and want streaming etc, then it's a compelling device.

Like N3 Ultra, when connected to an external amp such as the Mass Kobo 475, the DAP absolutely sings. Again, there is no need for pitchforks; I am not saying it needs an external amp to sound good; I am just stating that when connected to a good amp, it creates a very impressive experience. I am not fully aware of the line-out architecture with this DAP. I know previous A&K devices didn't have a true dedicated line out, but whatever A&K did here, it sounds excellent. No noise and a clean variable power signal are on offer.

One issue I had on the first day was battery life. In full tube, high current, and streaming, I lost about 20% every half an hour. That was a little concerning, but I think it may be due to the calibration of the battery meter. I charged the device and ran it down until it died a couple of times since, and it is improving. I will report back when I have had a few more charge cycles.

So far, I am enjoying listening to it with my different IEMs, and I hope with some more hours, it will get even better :ok_hand:

It would be fab if Soundcloud was added to the supported apps, too. It's a big omission for me.
 
May 5, 2024 at 3:10 PM Post #79 of 129


Some very early thoughts on SP3000T.

I took note of the issues people reported with wifi here and on other platforms. As I mentioned in a previous post, I am in the lucky position that I have a mesh network set up in my house with gigabit fibre feeding it.

In this environment, I have had no issues with wifi signal strength or the speed of the device when streaming. If I move the slider in a track, the response is instant. Being mindful that I might be lucky here, I connected the DAP to a hotspot on my phone, which was connected to a mobile network.

When I did speed tests on my phone, it had a 4G connection at the time, and it was varying between 2 and 9mbps during a few tests. In these conditions, I saw delays in Tidal when I scrolled through a track. You get a spinning circle for a few seconds before the track catches up and plays. You will have to make what you will of that and relate it to your own circumstances. I am just reporting my experience, hopefully fairly, rather than passing judgment on the wifi capabilities of the device. I don't think it is fair to say the device has weak wifi, but it is probably fair to say in some network conditions, it does? I will compare to my RS8 with both connected to the same mobile hotspot and see how both devices perform when I get a chance.

The last A&K device I owned was the SP2000. I have had the chance to demo the SP3000 a number of times over the last few years. I didn't pay much attention to the UI during these demos, just the SQ, but now I have the SP3000T in my hand, it feels like it is lightyears ahead of the SP2000. The SP3000 may also be like this, I don't know, but my impressions are based on the often frustrating UX SP2000 offered.

Everything is really slick in normal use. I found adding an SD card with a lot of music on it to be a little slow, but when added, it was snappy to navigate through the music.

I have been somewhat softened to owning a DAP with tubes in the sense I have had the Cayin N3 Ultra for the last few weeks here. To be clear, though, I baby all my equipment, so adding tubes into the mix hasn't really changed how I personally handle a device. I am not out jogging with a DAP or anything like that. I walk around my house, cook, clean etc and walk around the office, but I think my devices have an easy life! I have had no issues so far related to the tubes or handling the device. I have read the previous comment about about the ringing sound. I will see can I replicate it.

SP2000T didn't have a great time with interference. Cayin went to a lot of hassle to remove all radios from the N3 Ultra to ensure this wasn't an issue. I was a little concerned that the SP3000T may have similar issues, considering it has wireless radios and can stream and so on, so I have really been focussed on that side of things to see if I could pick up anything. For me, streaming on Tidal introduces no noise that I can pick up. I have done my best to stress test it, chopping and changing tracks, doing everything I could to force it to have to download data to play a track, and there has been nothing of note for me so far.

When I position my iPhone in certain places, I can hear it interfering with the sound. But this is no worse than any other DAP I own and it seems better protected from this type of interference than my RS8 is. For now, anyway, I can't fault it.

So enough of the possible faults and on to the sound. I think that, overall, it has a fairly unique sound in the DAP world, and the only other device I have heard that is somewhat similar, funnily enough, is the N3 Ultra. Before people get the pitchforks ready, I am not saying they are the same; they just share a lot of characteristics that come with a tube sound and the AKM family of DACs.

There is a dense, analogue tone to stringed instruments and drums. I think it would be easy to say it's warmth, but there is more to it than that. As the device is using a high end Delta Sigma DAC, notes still have tons of detail and don't sound rounded like many warm sources make things. Decay is slower, but the attack is just as sharp. I mainly listen to R2R sources, and to me, the SP3000T still has the characteristics of a DS DAC first and foremost. It can be an intense listen at times, and the DAR function, while impressive, can add even more punch.

Vocals stand out for me as they, for the most part, don't seem too coloured by the tubes. Instruments are for sure, and you can enjoy the results of that, but when I listen to vocals, they are detailed and present as you would expect from a totl DAP. Detail levels are high. You won't come away feeling like it is the most detailed DAP, but you won't leave wanting more, either. It creates a very engaging listen.

Technical aspects such as layering and soundstage dimensions are good, but to be honest, I haven't really cared or focussed that so far. If it is an absolute for you, you will probably want to look elsewhere. It just isn't what this device is about for me. It does enough on all fronts to make you feel like you are not missing out, but the USP of a tube sound is what it offers. If you like that type of sound and want streaming etc, then it's a compelling device.

Like N3 Ultra, when connected to an external amp such as the Mass Kobo 475, the DAP absolutely sings. Again, there is no need for pitchforks; I am not saying it needs an external amp to sound good; I am just stating that when connected to a good amp, it creates a very impressive experience. I am not fully aware of the line-out architecture with this DAP. I know previous A&K devices didn't have a true dedicated line out, but whatever A&K did here, it sounds excellent. No noise and a clean variable power signal are on offer.

One issue I had on the first day was battery life. In full tube, high current, and streaming, I lost about 20% every half an hour. That was a little concerning, but I think it may be due to the calibration of the battery meter. I charged the device and ran it down until it died a couple of times since, and it is improving. I will report back when I have had a few more charge cycles.

So far, I am enjoying listening to it with my different IEMs, and I hope with some more hours, it will get even better :ok_hand:

It would be fab if Soundcloud was added to the supported apps, too. It's a big omission for me.

Nice impressions! I am really enjoying it too but I feel stuck in between whether or not I want to buy one. I’ve just asked if I can extend my demo until Tuesday so I can come to some sort of conclusion. Between its combination of warmth and clarity with immersive imaging I find it very engaging and enjoyable to listen to.
 
May 5, 2024 at 3:37 PM Post #80 of 129
Nice impressions! I am really enjoying it too but I feel stuck in between whether or not I want to buy one. I’ve just asked if I can extend my demo until Tuesday so I can come to some sort of conclusion. Between its combination of warmth and clarity with immersive imaging I find it very engaging and enjoyable to listen to.
Cheers. Hopefully with a few more days the chocie will become clearer for you. It certainly offers something unique.
 
May 6, 2024 at 3:13 PM Post #81 of 129
I received the SP3000T demo from MusicTeck. Ever since I heard this at CanJam NYC and was quite impressed by the DAP and it has been something on my radar to spend more time with, so I've been testing it with the Storm and comparing against the Mjolnir. I'm looking to add a DAP for my occasional portable use but I'm conflicted on how much I want to spend on one since the Mjolnir is my primary source of listening. Here's some brief impressions so far:

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As expected from an AK flagship, the build quality is outstanding. The device is quite heavy but feels very premium, I also think the volume knob is much better on this compared to the SP3000 as it's no longer functioning as a screen on/off button as well, there is a lock button on the top of the DAP now and a fourth button on the left side to take you to the AMP toggle screen, however if the screen is off this button is rendered useless as it doesn't actually swap the amp modes itself. It is essentially a shortcut.

The Mjolnir to me is my baseline neutral-reference sound and has very minimal coloration to its tonality. The SP3000T in comparison has a fuller and slower decaying mid bass, a warmer and more forward mid range, with a smoother but nicely detailed treble response. The balance between warmth and clarity is done rather well but I wouldn't suggest pairing this with already warmer tuned IEMs as it may be too much of a good thing. While the presentation is on the fuller and more punchy side compared to SP3000, it is still quite typical overall of what I am used to from AK-Ultima DAPs in giving a smoother, more relaxing feel to music as opposed to the more incisive dynamics and sharper transients from something like the MASSKobo 475 or DX320 Max. Soundstage is above average in size with a great sense of imaging, providing just enough separation between notes to stop things from sounding like they're too close together or congested. Background is "black" in OP amp mode as expected and has a very very faint "tape reel" background noise when using the tubes, but nothing worth making a big deal over at all.

As you scale through the modes I hear the overall tonality to remain fairly similar in being warm-tilted but the differences mostly lies in how I hear the mid bass decay and forwardness/fullness of the mid range. OP AMP mode has the tightest bass and slightly more revealing and pulled back mids compared to tube mode, with hybrid sitting somewhere in between. You can also toggle between 1-5 settings in the hybrid mode to give a tilt towards OP or Tube mode. There is also low, mid, and high current modes when you are using the hybrid or tube modes. I like hybrid 2 (leaning closer to OP amp mode) with lower current the most so far from all available settings as I like the balance between warmth and detail it provides. I have noticed when you are using the full tube mode and high current that the DAP is quite sensitive to bumps and the tubes will ring with a rather drawn out "eeeeeeeee" linger which I find quite off-putting and distracting. It's less noticeable on Storm but with easier to drive IEMs I can imagine this being very annoying, and borderline deal breaking. It's not as noticeable on medium or low current, or using the hybrid mode. One thing I do find a tad strange is that if I tap the back of the DAP to get it to ring but then cycle from tube to OP amp mode and back to tube, the ringing stops... 🤷🏽‍♂️ I also occasionally hear this ringing even when the DAP is stationary but it has to be in tube mode and high current. Moving around the house with the DAP in my pocket doesn't seem to trigger it like tapping the back of the DAP does. I also did get to compare the SP3000T to the SP3000 Gold at NYC and between the OP mode of the T and the Gold I felt the SP3000 still has higher detail, resolution, clarity, and bigger staging, but I think the T is probably the better buy as you're getting more choices to tinker with without sacrificing too much.

WiFi is on the weaker side. I have some dead zones in my house where the signal gets quite weak and the SP3000T drops out completely there, whereas some other DAPs like the N30 LE or RS8 will stay connected but have a weaker signal. I would assume this is probably done on purpose to help shield the tubes from interference. The DAP can also get warm to the touch but nothing that I am finding problematic. Battery life also seems quite average at best but this hasn't really had any charging cycles and I think I am still spoiled from the RS8 and R8 II which have much larger capacity batteries in comparison. You also cannot lock the side buttons when the screen is off, why this isn't an option blows my mind. Also AK REALLY needs to let you scale the display here to take advantage of the screen resolution and real estate, because apps like Spotify are far too zoomed in for no reason as pictured below.

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What a mess. Especially the WiFi. And now the ringing when touched and battery life of 2 1/2 hours on high power !! I'll keep the SP3000, it's just all around a better dap when it comes to sound quality, detail, and staging. The T models have always been a step behind in sound quality and price.
 
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May 6, 2024 at 3:22 PM Post #82 of 129
What a mess. Especially the WiFi. Now the ringing, I'll keep the SP3000 it's just all around a better dap when it comes to sound quality, detail, and staging. The T models have always been a step behind in sound quality and price.

The WiFI overall seems fine to me unless I go into an area where the signal is weak, there it seems like it can't hold onto a signal. The ringing though... that is something I am not sure I can deal with. I can hear it on tube mode and high current but other modes or currents and it is not really audible.
 
May 6, 2024 at 3:23 PM Post #83 of 129
The WiFI overall seems fine to me unless I go into an area where the signal is weak, there it seems like it can't hold onto a signal. The ringing though... that is something I am not sure I can deal with. I can hear it on tube mode and high current but other modes or currents and it is not really audible.
Just one more data point: I purchased it and have had no wifi issues. It synced down over 400 songs from Apple Music, all lossless.
 
May 6, 2024 at 3:41 PM Post #84 of 129
Just one more data point: I purchased it and have had no wifi issues. It synced down over 400 songs from Apple Music, all lossless.

Glad to hear, I am not having any syncing issues. All I am saying is that in some areas in my home where my WiFi signal is known to be weak, the SP3000T can lose signal here altogether whereas on some other DAPs they may still maintain a connection with 1-2 bars.
 
May 6, 2024 at 7:29 PM Post #85 of 129
The included case is awful. Will the SP3000 TPU case available on amazon fit the T? I hope so. Yellow? The device is making you enough, why ship it with a case you know people must replace?
 
May 6, 2024 at 8:41 PM Post #86 of 129
The included case is awful. Will the SP3000 TPU case available on amazon fit the T? I hope so. Yellow? The device is making you enough, why ship it with a case you know people must replace?
I saw that Jason replied to the same question on another A&K thread and he said the 3000 case won't fit the 3000T. Different buttons and location
 
May 6, 2024 at 8:50 PM Post #88 of 129
I saw that Jason replied to the same question on another A&K thread and he said the 3000 case won't fit the 3000T. Different buttons and location
Bummer. Hopefully a TPU will become available.
Not sure did you notice SP3000T had an extra button at the side, so it will not fit..
Ugh. Thanks for the reply.
 
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May 6, 2024 at 8:59 PM Post #89 of 129
It is my last day with the SP3000T demo unit, womp womp. I am fairly certain I'll be placing an order for one.

Thank you @MusicTeck for the demo opportunity. While not perfect (nothing is), this DAP is really fantastic. I am hooked on the immersive imaging and mid range. The tonality and tube presentation really has a way of drawing you into the music!

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