It's a very very picky amp. It's really designed for planars and only some dynamics, such HD800S and definitely not an all rounder. Bloated mess is one possible outcome.I listened to this amp at canjam and have to say I didn't really like it. Everything I listen through it sounded overly warm and fuzzy. I'm sure it's a matter of pairing and synergy but utopia 2022 was turned into a bloated bass canon.
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Bakoon HDA-5210MK4 (and related Bakoon Products/Satri Circuit Laboratory news)
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LoveKnight
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From KKNAYANA's impression when paring with Focal Uptopia.
The next headphone I listened to was the Focal Utopia 2022. First of all, when I listened to it through voltage output, I was impressed by natural sound, spaciousness, and strong bass impact, and I could hear them loud enough at around 50-60% volume. When I switched to current output, the sound stage expanded as the volume decreased a little, but the bass became too overpowering and IMO didn't match well with the Utopia 2022.
I am still saving money to buy this amp for my Denon D9200, Sennheiser HD650 and future HD800 but you know life is expensive you need to spend money for other things.
The next headphone I listened to was the Focal Utopia 2022. First of all, when I listened to it through voltage output, I was impressed by natural sound, spaciousness, and strong bass impact, and I could hear them loud enough at around 50-60% volume. When I switched to current output, the sound stage expanded as the volume decreased a little, but the bass became too overpowering and IMO didn't match well with the Utopia 2022.
I am still saving money to buy this amp for my Denon D9200, Sennheiser HD650 and future HD800 but you know life is expensive you need to spend money for other things.
hdkiwi
New Head-Fier
I have a friend who has the Utopia and It sounds horrible with the bakoon, I'm not an audio file guy at all, just love my music and really like my Bakoon/mojo2 combo.... I really liked the hd600, until Lee Duk Hwan made a suggestion I try the new Grado Rs2x, I actually demoed and liked the rs2x over the rx1x with the bakoon, so this is now my favourite open back with my portable setup....
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Yeah 2nd what @Nostoi said, it’s a picky amp for pairing. It transforms the HD800 and Denon D7000 (Fostex earlier version) to a new headphone and works very well with planar.I listened to this amp at canjam and have to say I didn't really like it. Everything I listen through it sounded overly warm and fuzzy. I'm sure it's a matter of pairing and synergy but utopia 2022 was turned into a bloated bass canon.
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Yeah I can imagine it working well with some bass light cans.Yeah 2nd what @Nostoi said, it’s a picky amp for pairing. It transforms the HD800 and Denon D7000 (Fostex earlier version) to a new headphone and works very well with planar.
HD800s on HDA-5210MK4 and DAC-9740 get a brief mention in the latest CanJam report from Z, featuring @GoldenOne. Good to see this pairing getting some exposure outside of Korean and Japan.
Would be interested in a comparison between the HPA-21 (which I own) and the HDA-5230. I'm looking for a rig that's easier to move around than the HPA-21 (e.g. to take with me on longer business trips w/ checked luggage) and was wondering if it would be a downgrade.
I understand this is a current only amp and that's fine as it works very well with the headphones I plan on using.
Speaking of, I really love the sound of the ZMF Atrium (both Open and Closed) on the current output of my HPA-21. I highly recommend people try it.
I understand this is a current only amp and that's fine as it works very well with the headphones I plan on using.
Speaking of, I really love the sound of the ZMF Atrium (both Open and Closed) on the current output of my HPA-21. I highly recommend people try it.
Compare the 5230 to the HPA01, the smaller sibling of your HPA 21, I would say 5230 is a slight downgrade in terms of soundstage and technicality from HPA01. Its not night and day but definitely noticeable. But 5230 still drove my Diana Phi and HD800 well though.Would be interested in a comparison between the HPA-21 (which I own) and the HDA-5230. I'm looking for a rig that's easier to move around than the HPA-21 (e.g. to take with me on longer business trips w/ checked luggage) and was wondering if it would be a downgrade.
I understand this is a current only amp and that's fine as it works very well with the headphones I plan on using.
Speaking of, I really love the sound of the ZMF Atrium (both Open and Closed) on the current output of my HPA-21. I highly recommend people try it.
Hello all, I am sadly selling my HDA-5210MK4/DAC-9740 stack here if anyone's on the hunt.
Hello all friends of Bakoon I moved into mobile audio territory, so my portable headphone Amp - terrific Bakoon HDA-5520MK2 - it's for sale now!
https://www.head-fi.org/classifieds/bakoon-hda-5520mk2-vishnu-leather-case.57123/
https://www.head-fi.org/classifieds/bakoon-hda-5520mk2-vishnu-leather-case.57123/
kobinski
New Head-Fier
This is what arrived a few days ago (spoiler: and stays):
And with the EMPYs and LCD-3s (and the satri, with holster):
Both headphones transform —yes, just like that-with the HDA-5520 MK2. I don't think I've ever listened to the LCD-3 like I did today with the satri. Not even with the OOR have I achieved this level of satisfaction (with the LCD-3s)... which is not to say that the OOR is below the satri. The OOR certainly grunts more. But perhaps it's because of the magic of the satri circuit that the LCD-3s let loose like a charm, though without, of course, falling into shrillness. It's as if they have freed themselves from themselves. They don't sound like AUDEZE: there is clarity, a lot of clarity... even if the cream is still there. The SCL amp offers brutal transparency... and naturalness. Yes, I know: it's an almost impossible combination. But I don't know how best to describe it. It's not "musical", as the term is commonly understood in our little world. However, it engages. It is a cliché, but the satri disappears. In its place, the cruel purity of the notes. In any case, nothing to do with the cold sharpness of, say, the Topping. It is, in short, Japanese refinement. The HDA-5520 MK2 is a samurai: violent when necessary, precise cutting - there are no extra slashes - but also capable of tasting the most sublime haiku or of internalizing Zen aphorisms. It is like this. Now, as I write these notes, I am listening to an otherwise exquisite recording of Alec Frank-Gemmill -https://open.qobuz.com/album/fm57y6gav8eoa-... and I don't want to go to sleep. Tomorrow I think I'll go around with the sunglasses.
With the EMPYs... well, more of the same. It's very surprising. Very. It's not the usual EMPY..... They scale up to the point that the ELITE become "unnecessary".
Even if it is always about the set, I am more and more persuaded of the importance of the amplifier design, beyond the power, when it comes to see what a headphone can do.
By the way, I don't know why, but the satri works better -or so it seems to me- with the 1v output of the SE300. With the 2v output, fine... but I would say that the music gets strained a little bit. It's subtle. But after a few hours you notice it... without noticing it.
And with the EMPYs and LCD-3s (and the satri, with holster):
Both headphones transform —yes, just like that-with the HDA-5520 MK2. I don't think I've ever listened to the LCD-3 like I did today with the satri. Not even with the OOR have I achieved this level of satisfaction (with the LCD-3s)... which is not to say that the OOR is below the satri. The OOR certainly grunts more. But perhaps it's because of the magic of the satri circuit that the LCD-3s let loose like a charm, though without, of course, falling into shrillness. It's as if they have freed themselves from themselves. They don't sound like AUDEZE: there is clarity, a lot of clarity... even if the cream is still there. The SCL amp offers brutal transparency... and naturalness. Yes, I know: it's an almost impossible combination. But I don't know how best to describe it. It's not "musical", as the term is commonly understood in our little world. However, it engages. It is a cliché, but the satri disappears. In its place, the cruel purity of the notes. In any case, nothing to do with the cold sharpness of, say, the Topping. It is, in short, Japanese refinement. The HDA-5520 MK2 is a samurai: violent when necessary, precise cutting - there are no extra slashes - but also capable of tasting the most sublime haiku or of internalizing Zen aphorisms. It is like this. Now, as I write these notes, I am listening to an otherwise exquisite recording of Alec Frank-Gemmill -https://open.qobuz.com/album/fm57y6gav8eoa-... and I don't want to go to sleep. Tomorrow I think I'll go around with the sunglasses.
With the EMPYs... well, more of the same. It's very surprising. Very. It's not the usual EMPY..... They scale up to the point that the ELITE become "unnecessary".
Even if it is always about the set, I am more and more persuaded of the importance of the amplifier design, beyond the power, when it comes to see what a headphone can do.
By the way, I don't know why, but the satri works better -or so it seems to me- with the 1v output of the SE300. With the 2v output, fine... but I would say that the music gets strained a little bit. It's subtle. But after a few hours you notice it... without noticing it.
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Neat!This is what arrived a few days ago (spoiler: and stays):
And with the EMPYs and LCD-3s (and the satri, with holster):
Both headphones transform —yes, just like that-with the HDA-5520 MK2. I don't think I've ever listened to the LCD-3 like I did today with the satri. Not even with the OOR have I achieved this level of satisfaction (with the LCD-3s)... which is not to say that the OOR is below the satri. The OOR certainly grunts more. But perhaps it's because of the magic of the satri circuit that the LCD-3s let loose like a charm, though without, of course, falling into shrillness. It's as if they have freed themselves from themselves. They don't sound like AUDEZE: there is clarity, a lot of clarity... even if the cream is still there. The SCL amp offers brutal transparency... and naturalness. Yes, I know: it's an almost impossible combination. But I don't know how best to describe it. It's not "musical", as the term is commonly understood in our little world. However, it engages. It is a cliché, but the satri disappears. In its place, the cruel purity of the notes. In any case, nothing to do with the cold sharpness of, say, the Topping. It is, in short, Japanese refinement. The HDA-5520 MK2 is a samurai: violent when necessary, precise cutting - there are no extra slashes - but also capable of tasting the most sublime haiku or of internalizing Zen aphorisms. It is like this. Now, as I write these notes, I am listening to an otherwise exquisite recording of Alec Frank-Gemmill -https://open.qobuz.com/album/fm57y6gav8eoa-... and I don't want to go to sleep. Tomorrow I think I'll go around with the sunglasses.
With the EMPYs... well, more of the same. It's very surprising. Very. It's not the usual EMPY..... They scale up to the point that the ELITE become "unnecessary".
Even if it is always about the set, I am more and more persuaded of the importance of the amplifier design, beyond the power, when it comes to see what a headphone can do.
By the way, I don't know why, but the satri works better -or so it seems to me- with the 1v output of the SE300. With the 2v output, fine... but I would say that the music gets strained a little bit. It's subtle. But after a few hours you notice it... without noticing it.
What’s the battery life like with various headphones?
I’m surprised the specs say only 15mW output and the description says it’s 10x higher than the predecessor?
This is my old unit, which seems to be doing a tour of Europe. Glad you're enjoying!This is what arrived a few days ago (spoiler: and stays):
And with the EMPYs and LCD-3s (and the satri, with holster):
Both headphones transform —yes, just like that-with the HDA-5520 MK2. I don't think I've ever listened to the LCD-3 like I did today with the satri. Not even with the OOR have I achieved this level of satisfaction (with the LCD-3s)... which is not to say that the OOR is below the satri. The OOR certainly grunts more. But perhaps it's because of the magic of the satri circuit that the LCD-3s let loose like a charm, though without, of course, falling into shrillness. It's as if they have freed themselves from themselves. They don't sound like AUDEZE: there is clarity, a lot of clarity... even if the cream is still there. The SCL amp offers brutal transparency... and naturalness. Yes, I know: it's an almost impossible combination. But I don't know how best to describe it. It's not "musical", as the term is commonly understood in our little world. However, it engages. It is a cliché, but the satri disappears. In its place, the cruel purity of the notes. In any case, nothing to do with the cold sharpness of, say, the Topping. It is, in short, Japanese refinement. The HDA-5520 MK2 is a samurai: violent when necessary, precise cutting - there are no extra slashes - but also capable of tasting the most sublime haiku or of internalizing Zen aphorisms. It is like this. Now, as I write these notes, I am listening to an otherwise exquisite recording of Alec Frank-Gemmill -https://open.qobuz.com/album/fm57y6gav8eoa-... and I don't want to go to sleep. Tomorrow I think I'll go around with the sunglasses.
With the EMPYs... well, more of the same. It's very surprising. Very. It's not the usual EMPY..... They scale up to the point that the ELITE become "unnecessary".
Even if it is always about the set, I am more and more persuaded of the importance of the amplifier design, beyond the power, when it comes to see what a headphone can do.
By the way, I don't know why, but the satri works better -or so it seems to me- with the 1v output of the SE300. With the 2v output, fine... but I would say that the music gets strained a little bit. It's subtle. But after a few hours you notice it... without noticing it.
Battery life is stupidly good - like 50-60 hours. But note, it uses 12 AA batteries!Neat!
What’s the battery life like with various headphones?
I’m surprised the specs say only 15mW output and the description says it’s 10x higher than the predecessor?
The one you linked to is modded with a lithium battery. Specs are a typo - I seem to recall current output is around 500mw (though current functions differently so specs such as these tell you nothing).
More here https://smartstore.naver.com/bakoon/products/8268351363
kobinski
New Head-Fier
Typically about 30h with the gain switch on.... before it starts to distort (there is no other indicator than this). It is amazing!Neat!
What’s the battery life like with various headphones?
I’m surprised the specs say only 15mW output and the description says it’s 10x higher than the predecessor?
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