Can you handle the Beast! Introducing the iDSD Diablo 2!!
Jan 8, 2024 at 12:05 PM Post #211 of 251
Reference to what happened in the past where they removed campfire audio products from their website. It makes sense because they done it in the past in support of their unbias reviewers https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/s9ns9a/good_on_headphonescom_for_sticking_up_to_their/
You're confusing two separate issues.

One is a manufacturer who had marketing that was misleading. The other is a manufacturer that was upset about lukewarm to negative reviews being published about their products from one of their dealers.

iFi has not asked us to change any reviews we published nor have they threatened to drop us as dealers after Cameron's review went live. iFi still makes great products and Cameron even notes it in his Diablo 2 review that it is a great product (albeit he likes the Micro iDSD sig better) but it's just unfortunate it was marketed the way it was. And, iFi has now updated their website.

On the other front, we will never ask our reviewers to compromise their editorial integrity by changing the sentiment of their reviews towards a product (whether we carry it or we don't) and that extends to any affiliates we work with as well. As a dealer, this is a weird thing for manufacturers to deal with as they are used to each product release being reviewed by their dealers as the best thing under the sun. Unfortunately, this information is not useful for a buyer. Whether a review is positive or negative, it's important to highlight the potential flaws in a product that may be a dealbreaker for some.

Manufacturers can get upset at this because they view it as lost revenue and you know what? It is, in the short term. But someone who purchases something without knowing what they are getting into are more than likely going to return that item if it doesn't work for them and their sentiment towards that brand / product is going to be even more diminished because they won't understand why they aren't hearing all the greatness that reviews highlight.

I can point to some recent examples of this. We sent Joshua Valour a HEDDphone TWO and he was particularly critical of it, costing us personally a fair amount of pre-order revenue. And in the short term, that stings. However, the things Joshua pointed out in the video about the HEDDphone TWO that did not work for him are completely valid. You can see that HEDD also thanked him for the review and left some comments with their opinion. Which is the right way to do things.

I can also point to recent examples on our channel as well. @Resolve 's review of the Dan Clark Audio Stealth and DMS' review of the Dan Clark Audio Expanse were both controversial to put it lightly. And yet, when the DCA E3 was getting ready for release we still received advance access to a review unit.

The other point I wanted to clarify (and this goes to Cameron's Diablo 2 review as well) is that when manufacturer's are upset about a review or have something they want to clarify, that communication goes through me as we keep our reviewers siloed away.
 
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Jan 9, 2024 at 12:17 PM Post #213 of 251
@TaronL

Thank you Taron and Headphones Inc.

We have zero issues with any review. Obviously positive is nicer than not-so-positive. But one poor and the other +10 pretty positive reviews incl measurements by HiFi News, we’re not crying into our pints just yet! :beerchug:

Ultimately, music is subjective. And to an extent so are measurements. This situation isn’t the first and won’t be the last – over the hundreds, thousand odd reviews, we do expect the odd one or two to not be that favourable, but that is life isn't it, up and down and around the bend we go!

For everyone, life has been tough for the past few years, and set against the geopolitical world that we live in today, we’re likely to see more choppy waters and with music being the universal love, this is why we are all in this.

So no, we are not going to part ways with Headphones Inc and we will continue to send gear to The Headphone Show. In fact, Taron and the HP Inc. team are super-friendly and professional. And Headphone Show to their credit asked us for a Q&A to which we replied. The world would be a better place if we all lived our lives more like this.

I hope that this will end any speculation about our future together, which we hope will be a long and fruitful one, after all, we rely to some extent on what we both bring to the table!

Cheers!!

Bubba
 
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Jan 9, 2024 at 1:34 PM Post #214 of 251
Well, the measurement issue - ugly - does not detract from the fact that it is a good product. It looks like one to me. Well, I'm convinced. In fact, @Goldensound doesn't deny it either (and this regardless of the new implementations). I think iFi doesn't need to pull any punches to defend its proposition. Certainly, suggesting that it is capable of delivering 5W as an afterthought has not done it any favors. In this day and age, a marketing team should take it for granted that someone will be out there who will figure out the trick. I also won't go into whether or not it improves on the Diablo OG in terms of sound quality. To me they still sound a bit different -the sound is a bit more resolute and, above all, "open"-, having been running for more than a hundred hours (although I admit that over time the sound may be "getting closer" to that of Diablo OG). I don't know if it has to do with the reconstruction filter or whatever. But the fact is that the sound is still not identical. I understand, however, that someone prefers the sound of the Diablo OG. In any case, I usually use it connected to a Macbook Pro and with planars... which, in my opinion, are the headphones with which the Diablo get the best sound. Also, sometimes -but more and more often- as an amplifier of a SE300. It is not a desktop amplifier like, for example, the OOR. But it's not far off either. Although in this world the differences between the almost everything and the everything are "abysmal".

However, I have the impression that the gains - turbo and, above all, nitro - introduce unnecessary distortion, i.e. more than usual. I think the sound is more natural with the normal gain. I know that, in principle, it is intended for IEMs. But I would venture to say that even with sensitive planars the normal gain is preferable. The only thing is that you have to increase the volume. With the turbo and nitro you add a coloration or brightness at the end of the notes that, even if it may be "attractive" at first, it ends up sounding a bit artificial. With classical music this seems obvious to me. For that artificial edge that the extra gains intrude somewhat modifies the timbre of the different instruments... although it's not that we are talking about a difference between night and day. With the OG I did not have the same impression. EMHO.
 
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Jan 9, 2024 at 1:52 PM Post #215 of 251
Well, the measurement issue - ugly - does not detract from the fact that it is a good product. It looks like one to me. Well, I'm convinced. In fact, @Goldensound doesn't deny it either (and this regardless of the new implementations). I think iFi doesn't need to pull any punches to defend its proposition. Certainly, suggesting that it is capable of delivering 5W as an afterthought has not done it any favors. In this day and age, a marketing team should take it for granted that someone will be out there who will figure out the trick. I also won't go into whether or not it improves on the Diablo OG in terms of sound quality. To me they still sound a bit different -the sound is a bit more resolute and, above all, "open"-, having been running for more than a hundred hours (although I admit that over time the sound may be "getting closer" to that of Diablo OG). I don't know if it has to do with the reconstruction filter or whatever. But the fact is that the sound is still not identical. I understand, however, that someone prefers the sound of the Diablo OG. In any case, I usually use it connected to a Macbook Pro and with planars... which, in my opinion, are the headphones with which the Diablo get the best sound. Also, sometimes -but more and more often- as an amplifier of a SE300. It is not a desktop amplifier like, for example, the OOR. But it's not far off either. Although in this world the differences between the almost everything and the everything are "abysmal".

However, I have the impression that the gains - turbo and, above all, nitro - introduce unnecessary distortion, i.e. more than usual. I think the sound is more natural with the normal gain. I know that, in principle, it is intended for IEMs. But I would venture to say that even with sensitive planars the normal gain is preferable. The only thing is that you have to increase the volume. With the turbo and nitro you add a coloration or brightness at the end of the notes that, even if it may be "attractive" at first, it ends up sounding a bit artificial. With classical music this seems obvious to me. For that artificial edge that the extra gains intrude somewhat modifies the timbre of the different instruments... although it's not that we are talking about a difference between night and day. With the OG I did not have the same impression. EMHO.
Thank you for your thoughts here.

Valuable impressions for those looking to grab one, and great insight into the sound comparison!

Cheers!!
 
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Jan 10, 2024 at 4:04 AM Post #216 of 251
I will be asking tomorrow what the situation is here with the Elite, and I will get back to you in the appropriate thread.

Thanks again for all the other comments from the measurement/honesty perspective. I am also passing all these along and hopefully will have more information for you guys.

A note from me...

I am no measurement guru, nor do I even want to pretend to be, but rest assured I am reading all these comments, and I can direct those above me to read them and provide direction and also to give answers and comments where possible.

Cheers!!

Sorry for posting this here, but since it’s impossible to get a answer from @iFi as they seem solely focused on only attending to critical questions in this head-fi thread only - I’am gonna exploit the momentum. So, sorry for the spam fellow head-fi’-people.

Ifi, you promised to get back to us. And you have had one month to do so. But we have not heard anything.

We would still like to know:

Is the previous sold elites correctly wired and are the elite’s ground hardwired to the metal chassis or not? Are they safe to use and do they perform as advertised?

Are you gonna issue a total recall as pointed out earlier and have the new elite units shipped been changed in internal design which has also been pointed out?
 
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Jan 10, 2024 at 12:39 PM Post #217 of 251
Sorry for posting this here, but since it’s impossible to get a answer from @iFi as they seem solely focused on only attending to critical questions in this head-fi thread only - I’am gonna exploit the momentum. So, sorry for the spam fellow head-fi’-people.

Ifi, you promised to get back to us. And you have had one month to do so. But we have not heard anything.

We would still like to know:

Is the previous sold elites correctly wired and are the elite’s ground hardwired to the metal chassis or not? Are they safe to use and do they perform as advertised?

Are you gonna issue a total recall as pointed out earlier and have the new elite units shipped been changed in internal design which has also been pointed out?
Sorry that you had to post here...

It is completely my fault as I failed to answer the question you asked of me in the iPower X Thread. I make no excuses other than at the time of your inquiries I was coming back from surgery, and quite simply didn't see this addressed there again after your question in early December, It is my fault.

I will address this here on this thread as to not disrupt this one...

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/ifi-audio-ipower-x-the-official-thread.926656/

Please check there and I will answer your inquiry just as soon as I can. I will also post this message there so we are on the same page.

Apologies, and feel free to PM me in the future if there is anything urgent, or fill out a support ticket for any unanswered questions here...

https://support.ifi-audio.com/

Cheers!!
 
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Jan 10, 2024 at 1:52 PM Post #218 of 251
Need some help. Have a lot of problems with the combination Sony Xperia 1 V v Android 14, USB Audio Player Pro and Diablo 2. Sometimes when I power on Diablo 2 the phone restarts. When it works first album (flac from NAS) plays fine but when I start playing another album, no sound at all. Had the issue with phone restarting a couple of times with ifi GO Bar also after I installed Android 14. No similar sound issues with GO Bar. All works fine with my Lenovo TAB.
 
Jan 10, 2024 at 5:39 PM Post #219 of 251
Need some help. Have a lot of problems with the combination Sony Xperia 1 V v Android 14, USB Audio Player Pro and Diablo 2. Sometimes when I power on Diablo 2 the phone restarts. When it works first album (flac from NAS) plays fine but when I start playing another album, no sound at all. Had the issue with phone restarting a couple of times with ifi GO Bar also after I installed Android 14. No similar sound issues with GO Bar. All works fine with my Lenovo TAB.
I am sorry to hear you are having issues with your Diablo 2

Could you please take a moment to report your issue here, under the Submit a Ticket tab at the top?

https://support.ifi-audio.com/

I don't have an answer for this at hand, but starting a ticket will be a good thing, even if someone here can help with your issue.

Thanks and again, Sorry for any issues you are having.

Cheers!!
 
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Jan 14, 2024 at 11:53 AM Post #220 of 251
I posted my review of the Diablo 2 here: https://www.audiodiscourse.com/2024/01/ifi-idsd-diablo-ii-review.html

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tl;dr version:

Pros:
Nice sounding, neutral tuning. Slightly bright and pairs well with warmer and/or darker headphones. Good resolution and a lot of features and accessories. I also really like the carrying case it comes with! I've used it with other gear as well.

Cons: Amp gain is quite high even on the lowest setting making it not as usable with most IEMs and portable headphones without enabling the IEMatch, which changes impedance (and therefore MAY alter sound for some IEMs) and from my listening impressions, reduces dynamics slightly. Due to this, there's very little play on the volume knob for a lot of headphones, which I did not like.
 
Jan 15, 2024 at 2:40 PM Post #221 of 251
I posted my review of the Diablo 2 here: https://www.audiodiscourse.com/2024/01/ifi-idsd-diablo-ii-review.html

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tl;dr version:

Pros:
Nice sounding, neutral tuning. Slightly bright and pairs well with warmer and/or darker headphones. Good resolution and a lot of features and accessories. I also really like the carrying case it comes with! I've used it with other gear as well.

Cons: Amp gain is quite high even on the lowest setting making it not as usable with most IEMs and portable headphones without enabling the IEMatch, which changes impedance (and therefore MAY alter sound for some IEMs) and from my listening impressions, reduces dynamics slightly. Due to this, there's very little play on the volume knob for a lot of headphones, which I did not like.
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts and review of The Diablo 2 here!

A good read with particulars that will be of interest to folks here.

We appreciate it!!

Cheers!!
 
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Jan 18, 2024 at 11:06 AM Post #222 of 251
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Feb 2, 2024 at 8:50 AM Post #225 of 251
Hi Guys, will copy my diablo 2 review below.


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Hi Guys,

Today we are taking a look at a new product from iFi Audio, the iDSD Diablo 2. This is the most recent iteration in their Micro iDSD lineup, of which I am a long-term fan. The Micro iDSD lineup has always offered a great set of features and performance for their price point, making them a default recommendation for anyone looking for a great transportable headphone DAC/Amp combo unit. The new Diablo 2 has a couple of different features that are new for the Micro iDSD lineup, whilst it is lacking some of the features others have (similar to the original Diablo.)

The first thing I should talk about, which has been a point of contention on forums in recent times is the power rating for the Diablo 2. iFi has always advertised peak output power, versus continuous RMS. The Diablo 2 is advertised as having 5180mw of output very similar in amount to the previous Diablo 1. This is peak output so for very short peak transients it can manage this output, but for continuous power, it can only manage about 2000mw or just under (depending on the resistance.) This is similar to the Pro iCAN, which is advertised as having 14,000mw of output, but again this is peak output and probably managed somewhere about 8000mw in terms of continuous RMS power. In terms of real-world use, for a transportable device, this is totally acceptable and even impressive for a device of its size and general use case. I didn’t have any trouble with the output power of the Diablo 2, as it is very similar to the Diablo 1. One thing to take note of is that the lower the resistance of the headphones (ohms) that you are using, the more it makes sense to use the Diablo 2’s single-ended output, as it delivers more power from the single-ended output into lower resistances than from the balanced output. The extreme case that I ran into this was with the Audeze LCD-5 which has an incredibly low resistance value of 14ohms. I ran into the current protection engaging with the LCD-5 with bass-heavy music at medium volumes using the highest gain setting on the 4.4mm output. Using the 6.35mm output with the LCD-5, I had no issues. Other than that pair of headphones with their unusually low resistance, the Diablo was totally usable in terms of power output.

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Now that we have got that disclaimer out of the way, let’s talk about the product in general. The Diablo 2 adopts a new ridged metal case with a nice red anodized finish. Similar to the previous Diablo 2, it has a 6.35mm single-ended output and a 44mm balanced output. There are three gain modes, which have been renamed from the older Micro iDSDs. I don’t like this decision, as the actual gain levels are the same, and it will just create confusion with past products. This means that the levels are 0dB, 9dB, and 18dB, but instead of being called Eco, Normal, and Turbo, they are called Normal, Turbo, and Nitro. Same thing, but it makes it sound like the new “Nitro” mode has a higher gain setting than the old Turbo mode, which it doesn’t. New name, same thing. Another thing which can add confusion for newer users is that iFi is using the term “NOS” (as in nitrous oxide – “Nitro”) to describe the highest gain setting. For someone who doesn’t do a lot of reading about the product, this brings up an issue as NOS in “audiophile speak” could mean “Non Oversampling” with regards to the DAC portion of the Diablo 2, or it could even mean “New Old Stock” with regards to vacuum tubes (which the Diablo 2 most certainly doesn’t have.) The old naming scheme for the gain levels wasn’t broken, it didn’t need to be fixed and seems almost dishonest in that iFi seem to be trying to get people to think the Diablo 2 has a new higher gain higher power output, which it doesn’t.

The Diablo 2 comes with a neat plastic stand which is handy if you are going to be using it as a desktop unit, tilting the front panel upwards to allow for easy access to the front panel. The Diablo 2 also still has iFi’s IEMatch feature, which is selectable on the bottom of the unit. Also new for the Diablo 2 are the USB-C inputs on the rear of the device. This means a USB-C input for data and a USB input for charging. I do wish the Diablo 2 had the feature the Gryphon has to combine charging and data on one input as an option. You are able to charge and also bypass the battery of the Diablo 2, and use a 5v iFi wall wart which comes stock with the Diablo 2. This is handy for anyone who is going to be primarily using the Diablo 2 as a desktop unit. Also on the rear are a SPDIF 3.5mm coax/optical combo input, and a 4.4mm input/output for use as a DAC only, or an amp only. Also on the rear of the unit is the Bluetooth pairing button, a new feature for the Diablo 2 in comparison to the Diablo 1.

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The most noticeable new feature on the Diablo 2 is support for any new “X-MEMS” driver-equipped IEMs. X-MEMS is a new driver technology in the IEM space which requires a dedicated amplifier, and it is really only starting to be adopted by manufacturers as we speak. Whether or not it will be widely adopted in the future I don’t know, nor have I heard any example of an X-MEMs driver IEM thus far. However, the feature is present on the Diablo 2, so if you happen to be an early adopter of the X-MEMS tech, the Diablo 2 has you covered.

The sound of the Diablo 2 is incredibly similar to that of its predecessor the Diablo 1, which I reviewed in the past. I would recommend popping over to that review if you are interested in more comments about the Diablo 2’s sound quality in addition to this review, due to how similar they are overall. It is slightly leaner and brighter than the older Micro iDSD models. The bass is quick and precise, and I would say very neutral in its overall level. The mids are less warm and have less presence, especially in the low midrange compared to the older Micro iDSD models. The treble is slightly brighter but also slightly more detailed than the older Micro iDSD models. The Diablo 2 follows suit with the Diablo 1 in that it doesn’t feature any of the typical iFi “3D” or “XBASS” tweaks, so if you would like to tweak the bass level or sound staging, it would need to be done via EQ or something similar from your source, not on the Diablo 2 itself.

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The overall technical performance is again very similar to the Diablo 1. It is slightly more detailed, and slightly more refined sounding than the other Micro iDSD models, but also slightly less easygoing due to this. The dynamic performance of the Diablo 2 is again very similar to the Diablo 1, and slightly more refined and quick than than the other Micro iDSD models.

The build quality of the Diablo 2 is totally acceptable. The new metal case is nice in the hand and has a good, solid, well-built feeling to it. The new, larger volume knob is slightly easier to work with in comparison to the Diablo 2, and the channel matching of the volume pot was also totally ok, with no real imbalance at lower volumes. I also like the new red anodized finish, and think it looks much better than the previous slightly more garish red of the Diablo 1.

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Overall, in terms of performance, the Diablo 2 is incredibly similar to its predecessor, the Diablo 1. Very similar sonically, with some nice improvements in terms of build quality, and implementation of features. My main issue is that the MSRP of the Diablo 2 has increased to $1299USD compared to $899USD for the Diablo 1. At $899 for the Diablo one, I felt it was a good product, but was even starting to wonder if it was increasing too much and moving away from iFi’s previous core tenents. I’ve always felt iFi was a brand that delivered very high performance for the asking price, combined with Swiss army knife-like feature sets. Their gear always sounded good, was affordable, and offered a lot of features for the money. The Diablo 2 sort of feels like a car crash with regards to all of those previous things I valued about the brand. The Diablo 2 sounds incredibly similar to the Diablo 1, it has a new feature in the X-MEMS support (but next to no one has X-MEMS IEMs at this point in time) and beyond a new look and slightly better-built case, doesn’t really offer anything of note over the previous version, but costs $400USD more? I like iFi audio, I am a supporter of the brand, and I hope they can quickly course correct and move back to being focused on the things that brought them most of their success in the headphone space in the first place. A focus on quality, affordability, good feature sets, and if a new product is released, to make it a meaningful improvement over the previous version. When you combine this with the fact that Adorama in the USA had the Micro iDSD Signature (Finale) on sale for $350USD brand new, it becomes damn near impossible to recommend the Diablo 2. For me to recommend the Diablo 2, your use case would have to be incredibly specific.

If you

-Use XMEMS IEM’s
-Also use hard-to-drive headphones
-Do not want desktop-size equipment
-Need transportability
-Are not budget limited

then I could make a recommendation for the Diablo 2.

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Comparison with the Neo iDSD 2

I don’t dislike the Diablo 2 in terms of its strict sonic performance, it just feels like a missed opportunity for iFi Audio. It still sounds good like its predecessor did, it has great power output for a portable device (with the caveat of the peak vs continuous power taken into account,) and it feels sturdy and well-built. However, the Diablo 2 costs too much at its MSRP, to the point of making me feel that iFi is being opportunistic, and also seems to be a summation of iFi’s abandonment of the company’s previous values and core beliefs. Those previous values and core beliefs about their product lineup and design direction were what made them great, and a fan favourite amongst the headphones enthusiast community. I do have the new Neo iDSD 2 here for review, and I do feel more positively about it than I do the Diablo 2, so I hope iFi is not a lost cause, and the ship can be turned around and get back to heading in a good direction.
 

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