Meze EMPYREAN - the First Isodynamic Hybrid Array Headphone
Feb 22, 2019 at 7:53 AM Post #2,867 of 13,028
Which version of LCD-3 though? Audeze revisions and poor quality control make it very possible for both sides to be correct in this discussion. And I say this as someone who owns and loves several Audeze cans... after trying many examples until I found the "unicorn" versions.

Is that the one with one earpad also know as the LCD- Cyclops? :)
 
Feb 22, 2019 at 9:40 AM Post #2,868 of 13,028
Haha, no I just call them unicorn because they sound so much better and different than the 3-4 other examples (of each headphone) I went through prior. I actually listen to my LCD-2.2 pre-fazor more than my LCD-3 (also pre fazor) though both are great. Have not tried more than one LCD-4 thus far.

Once the Empyrean becomes more widely available, I'm sure a friend or two will pick it up. I'm interested in comparing to see if there is any variation or not.
 
Feb 22, 2019 at 9:59 AM Post #2,869 of 13,028
Haha, no I just call them unicorn because they sound so much better and different than the 3-4 other examples (of each headphone) I went through prior. I actually listen to my LCD-2.2 pre-fazor more than my LCD-3 (also pre fazor) though both are great. Have not tried more than one LCD-4 thus far.

Once the Empyrean becomes more widely available, I'm sure a friend or two will pick it up. I'm interested in comparing to see if there is any variation or not.


Arthur and I both had HE-1000’s at one time and LCD-4’s at another point. I would be at his house and we would compare the like headphones, and they had compleyetly different soun signatures.

It seems like everyone’s impressions of the Empyrean are similar it terms of sound and tonal quality.
 
Feb 22, 2019 at 10:56 AM Post #2,870 of 13,028
Just looking at the precision of design/construction, Meze is miles ahead of Audeze... you can almost see why Audeze gets inconsistent results just by examining the headphones. I have experienced more consistency from HiFiMAN but I think that's almost accidental, due to the simplicity of the design (some would say cost cutting).
 
Feb 22, 2019 at 11:18 AM Post #2,871 of 13,028
Anyone have a chance to spend significant time with and compare both the Empyrean and HEKse in a proper listening environment? Meaning not at a show lol. Wondering the differences or your preference between the two or if they’re just different animals, both worthy of being in one’s stable.

Same question but between the ZMF Verite and Empyrean?

Last question, does anyone who owns and enjoys their Empyrean tend NOT to like “dark” headphones? I ask because it seems like most are describing the empyrean as dark or warm leaning. I am intrigued by all the hype I’m reading about them, but I never gravitated towards the LCD sound signature (too warm for me) after many auditions so I’m wary about adding the empyrean to my collection. With this said, I had a proper audition with the ZMF Verite and while it had a touch of warmth I really liked it. It would probably be a choice between the Verite and Empyrean for me for my next purchase. I also appreciate the craftsmanship of them both.

I currently have and thouroughly enjoy the HEKse, but I’d like to add a second headphone to my stable.
 
Feb 22, 2019 at 12:32 PM Post #2,872 of 13,028
Which version of LCD-3 though? Audeze revisions and poor quality control make it very possible for both sides to be correct in this discussion. And I say this as someone who owns and loves several Audeze cans... after trying many examples until I found the "unicorn" versions.

Great point. Audeze made many changes over time. There's a "driver lottery" w/Audezes, especially the older ones.

My "unicorn" was a beautiful-sounding, pre-fazor LCD-3 (heard the fazor version but prefer p-f). Recently sold it, but not due to unhappiness...just typical "grass is greener" audio OCD. Also have a p-f LCD-2.1--a rather different sound, excellent in its own way.

People here are asking about contrast between the LCD-3 & Empyrean. IMO they're pretty different. Beyond a rough similarity in sonics (slightly warm, not bright, great bass, open-back), there are many differences. Both are killer designs IMO...

PS: heard the Verite last weekend & found it fascinating. Need to hear it IMS to understand what it's doing (different from anything else I've heard). Verite vs Empyrean is an obvious comparison, but these headphones are more dissimilar than similar...
 
Feb 22, 2019 at 12:34 PM Post #2,873 of 13,028
Same question but between the ZMF Verite and Empyrean?
Those are probably the best 2 headphones for my tastes that I've ever heard, though I've only heard them at CanJam.

Very different animals I think, especially one being planar & one dynamic. The Empyrean is on the warmer side, but there aren't many peaks & valleys in the F/R I think (except maybe the velour pads boosting somewhere in the treble). It comes across as smooth to my ears, but no lacking in detail retrieval, which is a fine trick.

The Verite is more 'alive' sounding to me...similar in a warmish tone(downward sloping F/R?Edit: at least downward after the mids, which are slightly elevated to my ears), but they sound very different. Not a relaxing listen, I guess the transients are more sharply defined, but not sharp...not fatigue as far as I can tell, but it was show conditions.

I hope that helps a little...

I'd have a very hard time picking between the 2 if money was no object.
 
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Feb 22, 2019 at 1:21 PM Post #2,875 of 13,028
I very much enjoyed and appreciated this review. Incredibly thorough. Also good to hear your impressions with the Mytek Liberty.

The Empyrean is calling my name every day more loudly. I really would like to find a portable(ish) amp/DAC solution for the short term that would match well with the Empyrean. I'm living overseas for a few months and it wouldn't be feasible for me to purchase a large amp and DAC that I would either have to sell or figure out how to transport home. My fear is that after hearing the Empyrean with the Fezz Omega Lupi and Chord DAC I might be ruined lol.
Try DX200 with AMP8.
 
Feb 22, 2019 at 1:32 PM Post #2,876 of 13,028
Anyone have a chance to spend significant time with and compare both the Empyrean and HEKse in a proper listening environment? Meaning not at a show lol. Wondering the differences or your preference between the two or if they’re just different animals, both worthy of being in one’s stable.

Same question but between the ZMF Verite and Empyrean?

Last question, does anyone who owns and enjoys their Empyrean tend NOT to like “dark” headphones? I ask because it seems like most are describing the empyrean as dark or warm leaning. I am intrigued by all the hype I’m reading about them, but I never gravitated towards the LCD sound signature (too warm for me) after many auditions so I’m wary about adding the empyrean to my collection. With this said, I had a proper audition with the ZMF Verite and while it had a touch of warmth I really liked it. It would probably be a choice between the Verite and Empyrean for me for my next purchase. I also appreciate the craftsmanship of them both.

I currently have and thouroughly enjoy the HEKse, but I’d like to add a second headphone to my stable.

I am not a seasoned reviewer by any means, but about Empyrean and HEKse I have both (returning one of the two) running from a W4S DAC1v2 -> V281 (balanced) and WA6-SE (unbalanced) in parallel. I do not have a balanced cable for the HEKse and I find it I like the sound better from the WA6-SE at least single ended. The Empyrean I am running it with a dragon silver cable from an LCD3 I have, connected to the V281 (balanced). 100+ hours on each cans.

Roughly speaking, the sound signature is the same debate as LCD3 vs HD800, only Empyrean and HEKse do everything much better imo. I don't feel like typing much :) so I would summarize the difference between the two are in tonality, bass and soundstage.

The leather pads on the Empyrean make the sound really dark and bassy to my taste, they remind me of the Sony's with these pads. The alcantara pad are more neutral and to my liking, they give Empyrean more air and space. Detail retrieval and extension is about the same in both cans.


(From now on all impressions of the Empyrean are with the alcantara pads)

Overall the sound out of the Empyrean feels very balanced, a bit warm and dark but not much, this makes it possible for me to listen to them for very long hours with no fatigue whatsoever. The bass is always present even at low volumes but it never gets over powering, they are also very transparent and natural sounding. If you were to listen to a life performance, the bass rendition of the Empyrean would be much closer to it than the HEKse. This is easily noticeable with jazz, where the background bass notes would almost be lost with HEKse, the Empyrean would give it an slight boost, enough to make it relevant but not distracting. Empyrean performs spectacularly cross the whole range. Where they do suffer is in the soundstage.

Soundstage is a whole lot smaller on Empyrean than on the HEKse. To put it in perspective, Empyrean soundstage is about the size of the LCD4 while HEKse is about the same of the HD800. Both are better in terms on placement and precision compared to LCD and HD, with HEKse having a lot more air, space and separation between instrument than the Empyrean. If bass is a bit better on the Empyrean, I would say soundstage/imaging is whole lot better on the HEKse. There is also instances where the soundstage/imaging on the Empyrean "breaks down" with complex passages, example of this Metamorphosis by World Saxophone Quartet makes for a very unconformable listening experience on the Empyrean, where I find my left and right ears listening to two different rooms, very disconnected. On the other hand the HEKse never losses coherence and accuracy.

I haven't mentioned HEKse much because aside for the bass, everything else is close to perfection if not perfection itself, and you already have a pair. HEKse are very natural sounding with an outstanding soundstage, both in size and presicion. Mids and highs feels so real that sometimes gets spooky with voices and sudden notes.



Summarizing, if you were to ask me, I would say Empyrean bass is half step ahead of HEKse while HEKse soundstage/imaging is a whole step ahead of Empyrean. Tonal differences are a matter of personal taste and everything else is about the same on both.


Hope it helps, If you want to know something specific, ask and I'll do my best answering.

EDIT:
The Empyrian is "dark or warm leaning" sound, but it is a really pleasing sound with a ton of details and very good soundstage. This makes for a very relaxing/comfortable experience, I can listen much longer to Empyrian than to the HEKse for example.
 
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Feb 22, 2019 at 2:26 PM Post #2,877 of 13,028
Great point. Audeze made many changes over time. There's a "driver lottery" w/Audezes, especially the older ones.

My "unicorn" was a beautiful-sounding, pre-fazor LCD-3 (heard the fazor version but prefer p-f). Recently sold it, but not due to unhappiness...just typical "grass is greener" audio OCD. Also have a p-f LCD-2.1--a rather different sound, excellent in its own way.

People here are asking about contrast between the LCD-3 & Empyrean. IMO they're pretty different. Beyond a rough similarity in sonics (slightly warm, not bright, great bass, open-back), there are many differences. Both are killer designs IMO...

PS: heard the Verite last weekend & found it fascinating. Need to hear it IMS to understand what it's doing (different from anything else I've heard). Verite vs Empyrean is an obvious comparison, but these headphones are more dissimilar than similar...

I will be curious to see how the Empyrean evolves over time.

On the one hand, it's a brand new design. There may well be further improvements or optimizations worth implementing. Would that lead to a silent revision or a proper V2 or....?

On the flip side, Meze seems to have already put a vast amount of thought/time/effort into the Empyrean. Holding it next to an Audeze makes the latter practically seem like a DIY project. Perhaps it will end up more like a Sennheiser flagship which ends up standing the test of time.


For what it's worth, I have an LCD-2.2 pre-fazor that I seem to reach for more often than my unicorn pre-fazor LCD-3 or 200 ohm LCD-4 ( which is probably not special, I've only tried the one). Might be time to dump them all though, since Empyrean is just so damn impressive....


I am not a seasoned reviewer by any means, but about Empyrean and HEKse I have both (returning one of the two) running from a W4S DAC1v2 -> V281 (balanced) and WA6-SE (unbalanced) in parallel. I do not have a balanced cable for the HEKse and I find it I like the sound better from the WA6-SE at least single ended. The Empyrean I am running it with a dragon silver cable from an LCD3 I have, connected to the V281 (balanced). 100+ hours on each cans.

Roughly speaking, the sound signature is the same debate as LCD3 vs HD800, only Empyrean and HEKse do everything much better imo. I don't feel like typing much :) so I would summarize the difference between the two are in tonality, bass and soundstage.

The leather pads on the Empyrean make the sound really dark and bassy to my taste, they remind me of the Sony's with these pads. The alcantara pad are more neutral and to my liking, they give Empyrean more air and space. Detail retrieval and extension is about the same in both cans.


(From now on all impressions of the Empyrean are with the alcantara pads)

Overall the sound out of the Empyrean feels very balanced, a bit warm and dark but not much, this makes it possible for me to listen to them for very long hours with no fatigue whatsoever. The bass is always present even at low volumes but it never gets over powering, they are also very transparent and natural sounding. If you were to listen to a life performance, the bass rendition of the Empyrean would be much closer to it than the HEKse. This is easily noticeable with jazz, where the background bass notes would almost be lost with HEKse, the Empyrean would give it an slight boost, enough to make it relevant but not distracting. Empyrean performs spectacularly cross the whole range. Where they do suffer is in the soundstage.

Soundstage is a whole lot smaller on Empyrean than on the HEKse. To put it in perspective, Empyrean soundstage is about the size of the LCD4 while HEKse is about the same of the HD800. Both are better in terms on placement and precision compared to LCD and HD, with HEKse having a lot more air, space and separation between instrument than the Empyrean. If bass is a bit better on the Empyrean, I would say soundstage/imaging is whole lot better on the HEKse. There is also instances where the soundstage/imaging on the Empyrean "breaks down" with complex passages, example of this Metamorphosis by World Saxophone Quartet makes for a very unconformable listening experience on the Empyrean, where I find my left and right ears listening to two different rooms, very disconnected. On the other hand the HEKse never losses coherence and accuracy.

I haven't mentioned HEKse much because aside for the bass, everything else is close to perfection if not perfection itself, and you already have a pair. HEKse are very natural sounding with an outstanding soundstage, both in size and presicion. Mids and highs feels so real that sometimes gets spooky with voices and sudden notes.



Summarizing, if you were to ask me, I would say Empyrean bass is half step ahead of HEKse while HEKse soundstage/imaging is a whole step ahead of Empyrean. Tonal differences are a matter of personal taste and everything else is about the same on both.


Hope it helps, If you want to know something specific, ask and I'll do my best answering.

EDIT:
The Empyrian is "dark or warm leaning" sound, but it is a really pleasing sound with a ton of details and very good soundstage. This makes for a very relaxing/comfortable experience, I can listen much longer to Empyrian than to the HEKse for example.

Thank you for the impressions - your opinion mirrors mine regarding the HEK/HD800 and Empyrean/LCD generalizations. Again, tough to say due to Audeze (and HiFiMAN) variations, but the general idea works for the most part.
 
Feb 22, 2019 at 2:46 PM Post #2,878 of 13,028
I very much enjoyed and appreciated this review. Incredibly thorough. Also good to hear your impressions with the Mytek Liberty.

The Empyrean is calling my name every day more loudly. I really would like to find a portable(ish) amp/DAC solution for the short term that would match well with the Empyrean. I'm living overseas for a few months and it wouldn't be feasible for me to purchase a large amp and DAC that I would either have to sell or figure out how to transport home. My fear is that after hearing the Empyrean with the Fezz Omega Lupi and Chord DAC I might be ruined lol.

I have a WA8 that drives Empyrean wonderfully. I use I for my extended stay travel.
 
Feb 22, 2019 at 3:30 PM Post #2,879 of 13,028
Thank you for the impressions - your opinion mirrors mine regarding the HEK/HD800 and Empyrean/LCD generalizations. Again, tough to say due to Audeze (and HiFiMAN) variations, but the general idea works for the most part.

I am having a hard time deciding which one to keep (HEKse or Empyrean). I do like more the overall tone balance, dynamics and impact of the Empyrean. But every time I switchover to HEKse, everything opens up with such a finesse, clarity, details, coherence, then I EQ a bit to make up for it's bass "deficiency" and everything is perfect until fatigue from such wide soundstage settles in. Then I am back to square one with the Empyrean missing the HEKse LOL

Maybe I get a different point of view or something that helps me make up my mind (or should I say ears?) :) ..... but do you have any impressions regarding these two headphones that differs from what I posted early?
 
Feb 22, 2019 at 4:59 PM Post #2,880 of 13,028
I am having a hard time deciding which one to keep (HEKse or Empyrean). I do like more the overall tone balance, dynamics and impact of the Empyrean. But every time I switchover to HEKse, everything opens up with such a finesse, clarity, details, coherence, then I EQ a bit to make up for it's bass "deficiency" and everything is perfect until fatigue from such wide soundstage settles in. Then I am back to square one with the Empyrean missing the HEKse LOL

Maybe I get a different point of view or something that helps me make up my mind (or should I say ears?) :) ..... but do you have any impressions regarding these two headphones that differs from what I posted early?

Well my first thought is "why not keep both?" But I realize that's incredibly presumptuous... not everyone has the budget, space, or even just the desire to own two extremely nice/expensive sets of headphones - and that's a totally valid choice.

Personally I like the Empyrean more. It better fits my impression of what "live music" actually sounds like. I see your point about HEK having its own appeal, but if given the choice I'd take the Meze for roughly 90% of my listening time.

Let me ask you this - are you on the stock Meze cable? Because I do feel I get a worthwhile improvement from an upgrade... in my case the Audio Art HPX-1SE does the trick quite nicely. I'll never call a cable difference night and day, but the HPX-1SE seems to open things up by a good amount. Meze has an upgrade cable of their own but I don't know much about it. Again, cable upgrades can only do so much, but in this case it might tip the scales in favor of the Empyrean.
 

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