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Jul 1, 2019 at 1:18 PM Post #47,957 of 153,283
Jul 1, 2019 at 1:45 PM Post #47,958 of 153,283
Thanks for all the reply guys. Anyone have a chance to compare a Vidar to say.. a Bryston 4bst?
I don't listen to music too loud anyways, but would not want to sacrifice dynamics and bass control by under powering the 1.7i.
Thank you
 
Jul 1, 2019 at 2:40 PM Post #47,962 of 153,283
I’m thinking it’s over current since it happens at the same place in multiple songs whether I have a fan under the Vidars or not. I don’t have a thermocouple cemented to the heat sink or anything, but pointing an IR thermometer at the lower rear part of the fins, it never got to the temp Jason mentioned as the trip point. Also, it comes right back on with no extra delay if I turn down the volume and power cycle the amp

Yeah, I've had mine up around 70C without them going into thermal, yet when they have cut out they were only in the 50C range, and like with yours it is easy to replicate using the same source material, and resets with a power cycle.
 
Jul 1, 2019 at 3:17 PM Post #47,963 of 153,283
I agree, I owned a set of Red Dragons and sold them about a week after I got them. What speakers are you using?
Magneplanar 1.7i, with an SVS sub crossed over at 40 Hz and 12 dB/octave. I did try using the hi pass outs from the SVS for a while to take some of the load off the Vidars but they would still cut out at a similar place, and there was audible noise floor when using those hi pass outs.
 
Jul 1, 2019 at 3:22 PM Post #47,964 of 153,283
Magneplanar 1.7i, with an SVS sub crossed over at 40 Hz and 12 dB/octave. I did try using the hi pass outs from the SVS for a while to take some of the load off the Vidars but they would still cut out at a similar place, and there was audible noise floor when using those hi pass outs.
I'll have to look up whatever impedance curve might exist on the web for those, but if they drop below 4-ohms that could be your issue. OH, and are you using a single Vidar in stereo or two of them as mono amps?
Driving a subwoofer off the speaker outs does not take load off an amp, by the way, except for below the Xover point which I doubt is your issue with Mangeplaners. In my opinion it's the absolute worst way to use a subwoofer amp. Drive it using line-level inputs if you can.
 
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Jul 1, 2019 at 3:49 PM Post #47,965 of 153,283
I'll have to look up whatever impedance curve might exist on the web for those, but if they drop below 4-ohms that could be your issue. OH, and are you using a single Vidar in stereo or two of them as mono amps?
Driving a subwoofer off the speaker outs does not take load off an amp, by the way, except for below the Xover point which I doubt is your issue with Mangeplaners. In my opinion it's the absolute worst way to use a subwoofer amp. Drive it using line-level inputs if you can.
Was using line level XLR inputs in both cases from the Freya. In one case, it was Freya->SVS->2xVidar with the low pass to the sub’s amp at 50 Hz and the high pass to the Vidars at 50Hz. So nothing below 45-50 Hz was getting to the Vidars.

I switched it now so the Freya XLR out is split to the SVS with 40Hz Low pass, and Full Range to the Vidars.
I think the main problem with the pass through configuration is that the high pass is dsp, so it’s doing A2D2A, and likely adding noise in the process. And since a high levels I could still trip the Vidars, no point in keeping it that way.
 
Jul 1, 2019 at 3:54 PM Post #47,967 of 153,283
I heard Vidar+ Maggie 1.7 at Schiittr last month, it was very good indeed, no volume problem at all. The Maggie's sounded pretty effortless.
Was that with 1 or 2 vidars?
 
Jul 1, 2019 at 3:57 PM Post #47,968 of 153,283
Dana Reed, post: 15038412, member: 438555"]Saga + Vidar didn’t have enough gain for me with the 1.7i in my 12Wx30Lx8H room. So I got a Freya and another Vidar and I mostly run in tube gain mode.
Now it’s pretty much always loud enough and sounds great, and I know where not to put knob on certain songs to avoid putting the amps into protection
How does it sound with just one Vidar. I will be using a ADI‑2 DAC also acting as a preamp.
 
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Jul 1, 2019 at 4:06 PM Post #47,969 of 153,283
Thinking of buying a yggy analog2, but have a question.
Is it possible to connect both RCA and balanced at the same time without degrading the sound quality?
(Have separate amps for speakers and hp)
 
Jul 1, 2019 at 4:25 PM Post #47,970 of 153,283
I really liked your post. :)

Here's my distilled and simple answer to that tube question: In the beginning of electronics, tubes are all there were. They sounded really good but they are expensive and can be fragile and like a light bulb they eventually wear out. So over time other solutions were invented, which we call solid state. Tubes are still around because some people prefer their sound over solid state. It's totally a taste thing. If you are curious and can afford it, try something with tubes. You might like it or you might not, but you have nothing to lose except your time and a little cash.

Thanks! My only experience with tubes thus far has been with my Saga which I got last fall. I generally prefer the sound with the tube engaged rather than on strictly passive. Perhaps that means I like tubes...

Side question - how can you tell when a tube is wearing out and needs replacing?
 

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