[dstrimbu]

Thx @Ripper2860 - I am really enjoying Treffpunkt Jazz, Ludwigsburg 1990 via Qobuz. "Just" 44.1/.16 but we know that that's all that Yggy needs.

 

[Ripper2860]

Happy that you like it. I'm listening to it again, as well.

 

[jonathan c]

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(My "solution" for the "needs more like buttons" "problem.")

.... you left out the "x" in between ...

 

[Ripper2860]

.... you left out the "x" in between ...

Pfffft.

#include <iostream>

int main() {
int numTimes = 31; // Specify the desired number of repetitions

for (int i = 0; i < numTimes; ++i) {
std::cout << "LIKE ";
}

std::cout << std::endl; // Print a newline after the loop

return 0;
}

And I ain't even a programmer.

 

[riffrafff]

Don't laugh ....

To paraphrase: to those that understand, no explanation is needed. To those that don't, no explanation is possible.

 

[M-83]

Norah Jones - "Feels Like Home"

CD via Urd Unison -> MiB. What a voice, and what a recording!

Not heard a Norah Jones track in a long time.

Very good.

Enjoy!

 

[Topo47]

Really like Corpse Cable's GraveDigger. I have a set on my HD600s. Lovely and physically quiet, too.

looks like the 'splitter' is "shrink to fit", instead of a noisy metal cylinder?

 

[Daniel Johnston]

HA!

Great cables made by a good guy.

 

[adias]

 

[Paladin79]

I asked Jeff at Blue Jeans Cable to make me a pair of 2M "Octo Quads"; two lengths of Canare StarQuad encased in a very nice Techflex sheath. Locking bananas, and assembled to allow extra flexibility on the amp end... those darned Tyr terminals are a distance apart. They sound like absolutely nothing at all, and that was the design concept. He also built the terminal jumpers for me. Really gorgeous work, @Paladin79 quality... <g>




Same with BJC. And if you need a headphone cable, try Corpse Cable. Nice people there, too, and great quality.

All products I know and I have used, good stuff.

 

[earnmyturns]

Tonight's recent jazz rec. Great music well recorded (Swiss quality by Intakt):

 

[Paladin79]

I'm running Canare 4S11 (not the newer G version) from Tyr monos to my AR LST's.
Couldn't be happier.
Took forever to break in but well worth the wait.

I use a lot of Canare 4s11 myself. When doubled 14 awg becomes 11 awg as best I can remember.

 

[turtlerod]

Thanks

You’ve great taste sir. Fantastic record.

I just lose myself so hard in Avalon. So classy

you should listen to Peter Frampton’s version of Avalon. it is on the album Peter Frampton forget the words.

 

[dstrimbu]

looks like the 'splitter' is "shrink to fit", instead of a noisy metal cylinder?

Yep. And that Cardas wire is non-microphonic. Love the cable, will also be getting one for my HD820s (after I pay the tax man Monday).

 

[stochasticJim]

This is probably a grand non-sequitur, as I have not been reading the thread for a couple of weeks and therefore have no idea what you're currently discussing. But it is on-topic in any other reasonable sense of what is on and off topic.

Revisiting Zeroth Things Zeroth​

Why though?​

I'm taking a rather deep and well thought-out stress management course and we've been asked one of the most fundamental questions of self-exploration: what is important to you? This is a broad question, insanely so, which is exactly why I'm back to this thread again. You see, this thread not only has a great community willing to discuss broad topics, it also has some great writing on this very question from time to time.

This is a chapter of Jason's writings that I value above all the other ones - and above most of all other helpful stuff I've ever read. I truly believe this chapter can help people, even help humanity and society as a whole. Is that a ridiculous claim? Well, we'll see what you think, as I quote and discuss my way through what I believe to be the key points of this gem of the internet hiding in the midst of this giant thread.

The concept​

To start us off, what are we talking about?



Now let me interject: this is an important concept, undoubtedly, and in this post I will try to explore how important and for what/whom. And it is a concept that is abstract enough to be fairly hard to explain, yet with these quotes, it has been explained quite clearly. This already makes this chapter very helpful. But wait, it gets better.

On the importance to a business, an organization and a society​

Why exactly this concept is important to a business specifically is where Jason's writing goes next:


There is a lot more detail in the explanation of this in Jason's chapter itself, but I think the above two quotes very succinctly summarizes one of two main reasons this is important for a business. Note how this affects development and therefore extends to impact society overall.

Note also how this is more general than it first might seem. It applies to any organization, be it a business or a non-profit or a state agency or a government or even society at large.

When you forget why you do things, you also forget how to do them well.​

This rule on the importance of why applies especially to organizations at larger scales, but it also applies to individuals.

The other main reason is that an organization is made up of people, so that if you want the organization to be healthy and work well, you need the people that make it up to be healthy and work well. Jason touches on this again and again (but the best quotes on that are not to be found in this chapter, so I have not taken the time to go find them in order to include them in this post).

On the importance to a person​

And this concept is very, very important to a persons mental health, to how well they work. Getting a handle on your zeroth things is instrumental to your capacity to deal with first things.

But I may be getting ahead of myself here, let's get back to where Jason goes next. Ah, no, he actually arrives at the very same thing - what it means to you:



Here comes an aside on what it means to Jason and Mike and Schiit, but it is an extraordinarily good example, so let's include it even though I'm trying to summarize:


Getting back to finding what it means for you:

Now we circle back to the importance of all this, the impact. Here's the thing I really want to say that Jason did not already say for me:

This improves everything.

This is not just for you personally, because this makes such a difference to your mental health and to your general attitude to things, that it will truly help everything. Your interactions with people around you. Your family, your coworkers.

It can help you greatly in being the best you can be, giving you more of the good days and less of the bad days. Even when you're not having a great day you it can help you have enough strength to employ the principle of WWIDOMBD: What Would I Do, On My Best Day? That principle, by the way, is not meant to answer what you actually ought to do in your current situation. Just look at the answer for inspiration, take from it what you feel you can actually accomplish in your current situation and be satisfied that you to the extent that you deemed possible at least acted according to your own best policies and morals.

Even your bus driver and your supermarket cashier will benefit, as long as we still have those, because mood is contagious. It spreads by line of sight, via smiles and frowns, or by sound, through the tone of your voice.

The value of your zeroth things and the importance to humanity​

Next Jason talks a lot about how this pertains to business, career, starting your own company. All very good reading, so definitely follow the link and read his post rather than mine if that is your focus. But let's quote the general principle here, which sums it up very nicely:

This principle has far more reach and importance than I think Jason realized when he wrote it. Just consider values other than money, and opportunities other than money.

If your zeroth thing has value to the local kids, that's still a great opportunity. An opportunity to be helpful, bring joy, bring knowledge or provide support. To the kids and their parents, to your community, to our future.

If it has value to anyone, it is an opportunity for you to interact with that one person in a very positive way. Like hiking, for an example that may have seemed to have no value outside the personal in Jason's original post. Someone who enjoys hiking may enjoy your company, may thrive and develop as a result of you sharing your knowledge. Someone who does not normally hike may be curious and may grow in an entirely different way if given the opportunity to hike with you. Back to personal value again, you may grow nicely from having such interactions with people.

Aside:​

Someone that does not normally hike but, let's say, inherited a mountain cabin full of stuff? They might actually pay you to take them there so that they can sort through the stuff. And then pay again and again for you to do all the trips needed to pack that stuff out of there, and then again for taking prospective buyers and making the sale of the cabin happen. Rare, but it probably happens, right? Do not discount an opportunity that isn't a business as something you can't make a profit on. One-time profits are nothing to sneeze at especially if they closely pertain to your zeroth things, because you will do a good job and provide good value there. (And that might snowball into you making a living from it no matter how unlikely you think it is. Weirder Schiit has happened.)​

If it has value to any group of people, it is an opportunity for the world to become a better place. Because you did your thing and that had value to a whole group of people, you helped them out in some way, and you can most rightfully feel very good about that.

Finally, I think all these smaller scale things add up. I think there is value to our collective future, the future of humanity, in taking these opportunities. I think there is an opportunity for a bright future in people finding their zeroth things and finding where their respective things provide some sort of value.

Finding your zeroth things​

This is how Jason ends his chapter:


Good stuff, Jason has a knack for ending his chapters on a high note. Highlighting what a positive force your zeroth things can be. So please, everyone: think about this. Try to identify your zeroth things.

How?

What if you don't know what they are? What if they change throughout your life? Well, I can only give you two approaches: you can think about it, and you can be observant of your feelings.

Thoughts​

My thought process was that these are the things I cannot avoid doing, the things I just can't stop my brain going on about, the things I end up doing even when I'm not supposed to. I found my list of zeroth things to be as follows:

• Understand how things work and why
• Share these understandings, explain things, teach
• Discuss and think things through, in a philosophical and often completionist manner, usually but not only in the service of the first two points
• Refine things, not to say perfectionize (which may be an archaic term but it's the right one)
• Precision, in written and spoken language, in measurements and in tools
• To be in nature, both on everyday walks and bike rides as well as less commonplace, grander, experiences
• Hugs, to be close with the people I hold dear, both physically and mentally

I then thought about this some more (see points 3 and 4 ). These are not just about the value I can provide, oh no, they are so much more important than that. These are my needs. They are not universal, they are personal, but your zeroth things are needs for you just as mine are for me. Actually that last point may be regarded as universal, but it is on this list so that I do not forget about it when thinking about these things.

Human needs! And this is not just about self-fulfillment, this heavily delves into self-esteem, belonging and to some extent even into the sense of safety. (Yes even without that last one of my needs, even without the last two, for me.) There is a great sense of security in doing those things that you naturally tend to do, being who you are, doing your zeroth things. You're almost certainly good to very very good at doing these things, so it will be good for your esteem, not just your self-esteem but also how you're esteemed by others.

At this point it is unsurprising to learn that your zeroth things heavily influence stress tolerance: when these needs are not met I am eventually overcome with feelings of meaninglessness and futility, so that even the tiniest challenge can cause me more stress than I can deal with. The lack of my zeroth things is stressful in itself and when it is combined with tasks that are outside my wheelhouse it has the potential to put me in hospital.

I'm not sure whether it is that drastic for everyone. But I hope that this line of thinking was able to shed a little more light on what the zeroth things truly are and how I find them to be so very important.

I am somewhat unclear on whether I have any redundancies in my list of zeroth things, do I actually need all of these? I think that to some extent I do, but as long as there is a minimum amount of each of them, an abundance of another one can help a lot.

So, I've thought about it, and I've written about. I might need to add writing to the list, actually... Anyways - back to the next approach.

Feelings​

Be observant of your feelings.

Specifically, observe what you do that feels meaningful to you, and what you do that feels meaningless to you. I happened upon this approach a long time ago, when I was a teenager and pondered the meaning of life. This is a powerful approach to understanding yourself, moreso than it might seem. Because, as it turns out, we're not entirely good at gauging these feelings afterwards or in advance, we actually need to do it in the moment. So do that, maybe for a few weeks each year, maybe continually. You will learn about yourself, it can certainly help you find meaning in your life and with a bit of work it can help you find your zeroth things.

For people that might need a more feelings-based approach to all this, rather than the long-winded philosophical thought-based approach that is this post, I can actually recommend a short book: Happiness is an Art Form, by Agnes Török. A poet that did a bit of a deep dive in the science of happiness, tried to live accordingly, learned a lot and wrote a lot of wisdom into not so many words. In my not so humble opinion and mostly but not just personal experience. There's a TEDx talk of 11 minutes too, if I did not manage to sell the book with my words.

Conclusion​

Hmm. What have I actually learned from this revisit, what have I actually arrived at?

When you forget why you do things, you also forget how to do them well.​

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Having a good handle on your zeroth things, setting aside some time for them so that you don't end up with these very real psychological needs unfulfilled, greatly helps your ability to cope with stress and do the first things. If you fail completely to fulfill these needs you may lose hope and fail completely to cope with stress and do the first things.​

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Zeroth things hold potential to be very powerful, very far-reaching forces of good. For people and for what the people do. Some well-structured version of this should probably be taught quite broadly, that might do a lot of good for society and humanity.​

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Also, I write too much. Sometimes. Other times I do not write enough. YMMV.

Thanks for posting this. The Zeroth Things Zeroth chapter is one of my favorites. I'm stunned that it was 5 years ago. And I appreciate your explorations of applying Jason's ideas.

You may like The Element, by Ken Robinson.

This idea from The Element has stuck with me:

The question is not, "Are you intelligent?" The question is, "How are you intelligent?"

My corollary is:

Everyone is a nerd about something.

This is a thread populated by aficionados: music, gear, cars, astronomy, photography, whiskey (regardless of spelling), cats... It is rife with nerds.

We all have gifts -- inherent talents and interests -- that transform us into nerds of the best kind when we pursue those gifts. And you and Jason are, just perhaps, hinting at the Meaning of Life. Find your gifts, nurture them, and use them for the benefit of the people around you. Even if you brighten just one person's day, doing zeroth things are of the highest value.