[Rei87]

So, CanJam Singapore was a blast...


Had the privilege of speaking to Sato-san and Yoshioka-san, two of the lead engineers for the WM1 project. I've passed some of your requests on to them for a search feature and they did mention that a new firmware update is coming in a few weeks to address the Artist page bug the latest update introduced. Also, for those requesting for configurable Sound Setting presets, they highlighted to me that it's already in the firmware - when you guys are in the sound settings page, just hit the bottom right Settings button and there you go.

On a more interesting note, a friend and I convinced them to open our players to install the Telos Quantum Sticker mod as they were curious about its effects as well, and their faces were priceless when our players were reassembled and they had a chance to A/B the modded players against the show demos they had brought - the engineers expressed surprise at how the bass had gained texture and the soundstage had increased. To say I'm pleased with the result of this honestly incredibly snake oil-ish tweak would be an understatement.

Wait, so you managed to convince the sony engineers to open your player to test the stickers?

 

[Dithyrambes]

The snake oil is strong in this thread Lol. 100 dollar stickers and thousand dollar cables. Lol. people have too much money to throw away. The whole cable industry is bonkers. Yeah ok you use gold and silver then you braid it......and you overcharge.
 
I would understand if they were like cello strings, where they have to test and try different materials because they actually sound different and the material has to physically vibrate. Even with Gold plated silver strings, they don't reach those prices. Plus they have to be hand wound and be consistent. The amount of work that goes into a headphone cable is much lesss unless its like kimber kable 16 braided, but then again, why would you need 16 braids when at the end of the day, you only need 2 for each channel for fully balanced.
 
Yeah unless you send a meltdown signal that actually melts the cable....lol snake oil of cable deterioration...jesus christ, I can't even phanthom how you get yourself to eat that belief. 
 
That sticker mod.....jesus christ..........if you are gonna share at least be reasonable Lol.

 

[jamato8]

   
For injection mold plastic, each piece requires making it's own mold/cast - those molds are QUITE expensive, at least 20 thousand Ks per part of the device, especially if you don't make a lot of them then each piece's sales price has to go up to recover the cost of the mold.  For example the remote has something like 10 unique pieces - that's 200k just for the molds roughly, not including materials. If you only make 5000 units, then 60 dollars would not even cover the cost of the manufacturing of the entire remote! Also the cast has life expectancy etc and will not be usable after a certain amount. On the other hand if you make too much such that it becomes dead stock you also LOSE money - that's the reality of a small batch of manufacturing.  
 
The work has NOT been done. Manufacturing is not that simple. 

Don't tell FiiO that their remote selling for 25 dollars retail should be 80 or more. :^) And it comes with accessories. 

 

[gerelmx1986]

Don't tell FiiO that their remote selling for 25 dollars retail should be 80 or more. :^) And it comes with accessories. 

did it work?

 

[jamato8]

  did it work?

No. Apparently Sony has made the frequency proprietary or the pairing different. There is no reason though for the remote to cost so much. Once a circuit board is done it is very straightforward. FiiO even uses a nice aluminum housing that has a better feel and a better quality appearance. I have an iRiver remote here that cost around 30 dollars that is like the Sony but the pairing is different because it won't work either but it has all the molding buttons, etc that the Sony does and was 50 dollars less. 

 

[jamato8]

  So, CanJam Singapore was a blast...
 
Had the privilege of speaking to Sato-san and Yoshioka-san, two of the lead engineers for the WM1 project. I've passed some of your requests on to them for a search feature and they did mention that a new firmware update is coming in a few weeks to address the Artist page bug the latest update introduced. Also, for those requesting for configurable Sound Setting presets, they highlighted to me that it's already in the firmware - when you guys are in the sound settings page, just hit the bottom right Settings button and there you go.
 
On a more interesting note, a friend and I convinced them to open our players to install the Telos Quantum Sticker mod as they were curious about its effects as well, and their faces were priceless when our players were reassembled and they had a chance to A/B the modded players against the show demos they had brought - the engineers expressed surprise at how the bass had gained texture and the soundstage had increased. To say I'm pleased with the result of this honestly incredibly snake oil-ish tweak would be an understatement.
 

 

What do they do to open the back? What do the stickers do? Do they electrically hook into something? 

 

[gerelmx1986]

 

  did it work?

No. Apparently Sony has made the frequency proprietary or the pairing different. There is no reason though for the remote to cost so much. Once a circuit board is done it is very straightforward. FiiO even uses a nice aluminum housing that has a better feel and a better quality appearance. I have an iRiver remote here that cost around 30 dollars that is like the Sony but the pairing is different because it won't work either but it has all the molding buttons, etc that the Sony does and was 50 dollars less. 

​Thanks, too bad it didn't work, for the Price it would be a bargainf  had it workd
 
The stickers supposedly they emit infrared radiation and negative Ion charges to eliminate static charges
 
To open the back they might have heated a bit witha heat gun and then with a plastic spatula lifted the Leather grip, i did this to peel off my zx100 back rubber grip (it's glued)

 

[mscott58]

From their website (http://www.telos-audio.com.tw/pd_new.html):

"Quantum X2 material formula was initially used for medical purposes and in manufacturing of semi conductor. This was then channeled into TELOS product design after Jeff Lin’s years of experimentation and manufacturing of products.
From the mass amount of Quantum X2 users’ experiences on their Hifi system feedbacks gathered; “the cleanliness and transparency of the signals have immediately achieve a big difference”. This is because any audio system which uses electricity are affected by electrostatic charge and the traditional methods for removing electrostatic charge were electrical grounding route planning with positive and negative ions generator and adverse electrostatic charge; an example will be static fan and negative ion generator.

Quantum X2 products actively produce energy to stimulate the electronic components. Once powered up, Quantum X2 resonance will be delivered to the rest of the audio equipment via current and optimizes the entire audio system’s electron and proton characteristic. Every Quantum X2 applied on the signal transmission path of audio equipment and cables produces 75cpm of far-infrared radiation and high density negative ions to further eliminate electrostatic charge within the audio equipment. The far-infrared and negative ions energy spread throughout the entire system via the signal transmission path improves music playback atmosphere, soundstage, timbre, dynamics and musical fidelity to a certain standard.

Every Quantum X2 stickers contains patented formula infra-red powder (which undergoes 36 hours of cryogenic process at -196oC), patented formula negative ion powder, titanium dioxide photocatalyst materials, silica wafer insulation coating material, pentoxide antistatic agent material, calcium oxide CAO desiccant material, zironia filter material and alumina structural ceramic material.
Official test reports from SGS proves that Quantum X2 exclusive formula is not harmful to humans as it is unleaded and free from highly polluted elements."


I am just speechless...

 

[TenderTendon]

From their website (http://www.telos-audio.com.tw/pd_new.html):

"Quantum X2 material formula was initially used for medical purposes and in manufacturing of semi conductor. This was then channeled into TELOS product design after Jeff Lin’s years of experimentation and manufacturing of products.
From the mass amount of Quantum X2 users’ experiences on their Hifi system feedbacks gathered; “the cleanliness and transparency of the signals have immediately achieve a big difference”. This is because any audio system which uses electricity are affected by electrostatic charge and the traditional methods for removing electrostatic charge were electrical grounding route planning with positive and negative ions generator and adverse electrostatic charge; an example will be static fan and negative ion generator.

Quantum X2 products actively produce energy to stimulate the electronic components. Once powered up, Quantum X2 resonance will be delivered to the rest of the audio equipment via current and optimizes the entire audio system’s electron and proton characteristic. Every Quantum X2 applied on the signal transmission path of audio equipment and cables produces 75cpm of far-infrared radiation and high density negative ions to further eliminate electrostatic charge within the audio equipment. The far-infrared and negative ions energy spread throughout the entire system via the signal transmission path improves music playback atmosphere, soundstage, timbre, dynamics and musical fidelity to a certain standard.

Every Quantum X2 stickers contains patented formula infra-red powder (which undergoes 36 hours of cryogenic process at -196oC), patented formula negative ion powder, titanium dioxide photocatalyst materials, silica wafer insulation coating material, pentoxide antistatic agent material, calcium oxide CAO desiccant material, zironia filter material and alumina structural ceramic material.
Official test reports from SGS proves that Quantum X2 exclusive formula is not harmful to humans as it is unleaded and free from highly polluted elements."


I am just speechless...

What's most interesting is the fact that "Official test reports" prove that they are not harmful to humans. Where are the "Official test reports" that prove these little stickers affect the sound in any way? I guess what is most important is to know that you can eat them and not get sick... Also, if these stickers were actually able to have any effect on an electronic component (e.g. change the value of an inductor),  it would most likely have a NEGATIVE effect on the sound quality, by moving that component outside of it's design tolerance... My daughter has some old Hello Kitty stickers that probably have lead paint on them. I'm going to cover my 1Z with them to keep EMF radiation from messing with my players mojo.

 

[zardos]

Lol

 

[jamato8]

 
What's most interesting is the fact that "Official test reports" prove that they are not harmful to humans. Where are the "Official test reports" that prove these little stickers affect the sound in any way? I guess what is most important is to know that you can eat them and not get sick...

I guess the real test is, once they pass, can you still use them? 

 

[TenderTendon]

 
I guess the real test is, once they pass, can you still use them? 

If you can find them...

 

[zardos]

Have you a good flight into unlimited placebo land.

 

[mscott58]

If you can find them...

Maybe that's why they offer them in both red and blue?

 

[musicday]

If people after applying the stickers hear a difference good for them.
Probably they work
But we need more evidence on that.