Reviews by grizzlybeast

grizzlybeast

My name is grizzlybeast and I'm an audioholic.
Pros: Transparency, scalability, simplicity
Cons: wow factor, microphonics,overhyped but still good

SCHIIT VALI

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iMac > Fidelia/Vox>Nuforce Icon DAC> Schiit Vali>Yamaha HPH MT220
iMac > Vox > JDS LABS ODAC> Schiit Vali> Yamaha HPH MT220
 

PROS AND CONS:

- harmless or non hindering
- tiny bit of tube flavor(don't expect a lot)
- transparent
- scalable
- detailed (what you put is what you get)
- capable
- nothing recessed (maybe the highs a tad if anything)
- smooth
- good power for any dynamic
- simplicity
- build
- PRICE
- size/footprint
 
cons:
- microphonics
- wow factor
 
To start I would like to say that right from the jump the Vali is a good pick for someone wanting an amp at an affordable price. It is pretty hard for me to explain what exactly this amp does do really well but more so it is hard for me to explain what it does bad and below is why:
 

MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT:

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For a headphone amp you may be expect for your bass to become really strong, your soundstage to take off in width and depth, or your highs to become more clear and enhanced. The Vali has become for me a tool of learning. I think that equipment can fight each other and you can have a Good DAC but the amp mess it up and Vice Versa. The awesome thing about the Vali is that it won't mess up the sound quality of what is upstream of it. It won't muddy up your DAC nor will it make it sound better but maybe slightly different. The tube sound of this amp isn't all syrupy and lush either. It doesnt take your music and butter poach it for you. 
 
I am limited in experience with DACs and amps but if any amp taught me my DAC it was the Vali. At first I plugged the Vali into the JDS LABS ODAC and the combo was pretty enjoyable but I kept feeling like it took away from the raw and natural sound of my Yamaha hph-mt220(the headphone I proselytize ...we all have one). It made it sound softer, a little more murky but balanced  with the instruments rounded off in a way that made them less vivid and more emotionless. The bass became soft and lost its weight. The soundstage compared to my iMac out increased slightly and there was more space around the instruments but it left me wanting. It didn't leave me wanting more bass quantity or more highs or mids, but it left me wanting the headphone to sound like I know it is supposed to sound with other sources I have tried with it before. I had some serious brain burn in with the trio(yammie,odac,vali) and came to enjoy its more polite way of communicating my music  but missing the Yamaha realism and clarity. Before this I had an emotiva and modi and tried the yamaha, focusrite forte, and fiio x3 with it so I knew how it was supposed to sound.
 
Then I got the late model Nuforce Icon DAC. The amp by itself brought everything back that I missed about the Yamaha and more, but sometimes a bit too much more. All of a sudden the bass firmed back up, the soundstage stayed as open, the highs sprouted, and the mids were ripe again. So I thought "Well let me try this Vali with the Nuforce DAC Section" ... VIOLA!! Nothing missing from what I love about the yamaha at all!!!  The bass stayed clean and clear, the mids were very similar to how they were on the Nuforce ICON DAC by them selves and the highs were a little more palpable. The overall sound was just a tad smoother. 
 
In short the VALI HINDERED NOTHING and only added a tad bit of tube flavor. I was baffled and played all night going back and forth between the Vali and Nuforce headphone outs to see if I was losing any textures or anything and could find nothing. It is very easy for me to hear the Nuforce Icon DAC through the VALI; "Hear through" factor to me equals transparency. 
 
Previous reviews have mentioned flaws with the Vali  like soft bass etc. but I would bet it is their source.
 
On the flip side I have heard comments about the bass being enhanced and the mids sounding fuller etc etc.... I also do not hear any of that either. I hear what my DAC is doing but with a very slight touch of tube. 
 

MICROPHONICS:

What is true about this X 2 is the microphonics. I looked it up before I bought it to try to understand how it would sound. Good thing I didn't get a good description because it may have influenced my purchase. Well imagine a clean and high pitched synth midi note being sustained that is more than audible but annoying. When you move the thing around or tap the table it makes the noise. You can make it do this by tapping it with the metal end of a pen or something and it will ring. The ringing goes away after some 10-20 seconds and then it is music time. I can put up with that. I just turn it on before I am ready to listen.
 
So there is a review if you want to call it that. I will just say that these are impressions. 
Makiah S
Makiah S
enjoyable enough read, and a very good point, 

grizzlybeast

My name is grizzlybeast and I'm an audioholic.
Pros: bass, detail, comfort, swappable pads, balanced tuning.
Cons: No detachable cable, case or pouch, needs burn in, boosted treble.
YAMAMAHA HPH-MT220 REVIEW

last review update with Focal Pro added: 3/1/2014
 
preface: People can become fans of a product and get scared to be honest but I can honestly stand by the impressions below without wavering.  Other reviews I have posted are not as in depth for a reason as I feel this one worthy of full coverage(not that I am a good reviewer or anything... just saying).
                                                                             
 
OVERVIEW:
They are accurate for professional use with enough low end to please most. I don't use eq with these ever!
 
The thing about these headphones is that they are tuned for "modern studio applications". As we all know, modern music calls for bass. These are not bass monsters but the bass response is awesome!! If making or mixing EDM, these will translate very well to the speaker monitors given that the monitors reach as low as these. The tuning reflects what is on the recording. They also do good with everything I have thrown at them. I literally get goose bumps sometimes and they shock me. I stepped outside of my personal music genre favorites and get floored with my jaw slightly hanging. They become very clear/transparent after burn in and hold nothing back from you without the covering up of poorly recorded vocals. The mt220 will reveal to you the crappy mics some artists may have used as an accurate window into the recording while staying delightfully enjoyable.  
 
Dark sources on these are okay but neutral sources imo help you see its balance. I used to be a mid range lover and still am but prefer balance and that is what these have. Though they have a little more energy in the treble, I can honestly say nothing is recessed. They have a bite to them at first that makes it seem like you are getting rushed with detail and crispy instruments. The slightly murky lower mids clear up after burn in. Compared to a Pioneer hdj 2000 these are way more transparent right out of the box. I just had slight issues with the lower mids at times pre burn in. Now that is non existent.  If you don't believe in burn in like I didn't then these will prove it to you if you give them time. I have never heard a headphone go through so many changes as these. Now I can say that mine are completely burned in and I still can't put them down.
 
 
SPECIFIC QUALITES:
- Pad swapping/rolling is a synch with many options
- Not genre specific
- Kind of raw sounding
- Awesome tuning on the headphones
- Scalable (amping is suggested but not needed at all)
- Balanced sound that is awesome for reference purposes
- Revealing of bad recordings
- Revealing of equipment signatures and quality
- The bass doesn't make all songs sound bass heavy and is moderately textured and will satisfy the bass hungry
- Bass slams when it needs to and extends low
- Great attack
- Mids are not recessed or too forward
- highs are clear and not rolled off
- decent soundstage as well but not artificial with accurately sized instruments
- barely any mid bass hump with little to no booming into the mids
- sturdy build
- handles power easily
- little distortion
- little sibilance
- sound improves as you listen
 
SPECIFIC FLAWS:
- pre-burn in lacks some transparency in the lower mids
- lacks isolation
- stock pads are shallow
- no detachable cord
- little accessories (I need to try the cd it comes with)
- can be unforgiving
- treble can be a tad splashy or "Essy" and only on some tracks
 
FR GRAPH:
http://personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/yamaha-hph-mt-220/
(this is from personalaudio.ru I dont even know if I picked the right one but its the only one site I could find)

 
 
AMPING/SOURCING:

 
 
 
 
 
 
These don't need an amp to sound good but an amp definitely helps especially for portable uses. The fiio x3 and plain ipod leaves me a bit unsatisfied. When I plug them into my iMac they actually shine. They will tell you exactly what your source sounds like so just choose wisely. I suggest something with a tight low end(no need for bass boost), detailed sound, and average or above average soundstage and these will reward you greatly. They don't need anything to add to it basically but just an amp/source that won't take away what it has already because it can be easily held back.
 
- JDS Labs ODAC and Schiit Vali : The combo is smoothing them out slightly but helping the soundstage and adding a little air. The drums, instrument attacks, bass thumps, and kicks are being a little rounded off with these two.  So this combo is allowing its soundstage to breathe as well and lower level noises are more easily focused on. I immediately missed the edge of these on first impression, but now I appreciate how refined these have become with this combo. The combo has also given better instrument separation and detail. It makes for a sweet listen on some songs and others slightly more dull. That being said the Yamaha can never be dull to me and it would take a lot to make them boring. Overall its a good match.
 
- The Fiio X3: restricted the soundstage, darkened the headphones, made them less engaging than the Vali and ODAC, added bass warmth(which was not needed), and made the mids less clear. I think that is just how the x3 sounds on its own. I am making the x3 sound worse than it really is but imo I think these will do great on a better and more neutral source and I felt the fiio was holding them back. I respect the x3 though as it paired really well with the k545 and gave it the warmth and push it needed.
 
- The Nuforce ICON DAC: Great match however not only is the natural punch, dynamics, clarity and raw sound of these headphones back but a bit enhanced and a tad bright. The Nuforce takes away nothing from what the headphone has to offer. I would however like to use it with another tube amp because the Nuforce alone is a bit bright and turns from neutral to slightly bright but with full mids and deep bass. So far this is the best. The Vali with the DAC section of the Nuforce also makes a good match and places things almost right where they should be but not a huge difference from the Nuforce ICON DAC all by itself using both the dac and amp sections.
 
 
HEADPHONE BUILD/AESTHETICS:
 
They look great in person and are light and comfortable with the pads enveloping the ears. I would definitely not call these lifestyle headphones though and in public you will look like you walked out of a studio. They do however look great in the studio or home next to an iMac,PC, or laptop<<<all in my opinion of course.
 
 The chord is coiled closer to the jack which has a very heavy duty screw on adapter that is only usable with the Yamaha.  Where the cord goes in to the jack is a spring protector to prevent the end from breaking. They are made with a very sturdy plastic and like most headphones have the metal inside of the headband encased in this plastic. The driver housing is plastic as well with a brushed metal plate around the driver compartment. 

 
 
The cushion on the headband is thin but wide and is fairly comfortable. My ears fit in the pads with the inside opening measuring 6.25 cm top to bottom and 4.5 cm left to right
Though they are not the most comfortable headphones I have worn, they do have minimal clamping pressure and seem to have more of a universal fit. I can't picture to many people complaining about the fit of these. 
 
HEADPHONE COMPARISONS:
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE FOLLOWING DONT HAVE ITS THINGS IT DOES BETTER THAN THE YAMAHA OR THAT THE YAMAHA IS BETTER. These are distinctive things the yamaha does better in my opinion and from memory. I remember still preferring the ZMF modded fostex over all of these in preference (not technicalities) so its not included.
*close contenders
 
 
____AKG k545 (yamaha = stronger bass, more depth, better transient response, less restrained/more forward and energetic, better lower mids,  more natural timbres, more accurate, less gentle, less treble emphasis)
____*Sony mdr 7520(yamaha = smoother, wider soundstage, more sub bass, less midbass hump, more neutral mids (slightly less mids) and balanced highs(sony slightly darker), more treble, less thick, stronger attack)
____Sennheiser Momentum ( yamaha =  larger soundstage, tighter bass, more detailed, better instrument separation, more accurate of the mix, slightly more bright, more transparent)
____Philips L1 (yamaha =  less flabby, more controlled, larger instruments, more forward, more detailed, better resolution, similar balance, better attack, more transparent)
____AKG K550 (yamaha = more natural timbre, more accurate of the mix, more bass, fuller but neutral mids so basically not recessed, less bright, smaller soundstage, better attack, more body and weight more forward, more snap)
____Denon AH-D2000 (yamaha = less boomy in bass but similar impact, less bass, more mids, less grain, more transparent, weightier/more organic sound, smoother)
____German maestro 8.35 d (its been a while, but yamaha = more bass, very similar balance, less fatiguing,less sibilant, better details and instrument separation)
____Beyerdynamic COP(yamaha = tighter bass, less bright, less air, fuller/weightier notes, better resolution, better instrument separation)
____Beyerdynamic dt 770(yamaha = better depth, fuller/weightier sound, stronger mids, less bright, stronger impact/attack/slam, more refined, better details, better instrument separation)
____JVC DX700 (yamaha = better attack and punch, faster, similar bass quality, less bass, less soft and smoothed over, more treble, more balanced, less dark, less genre/song specific, less cavernous)
____*Focal Spirit Professional (yamaha= stronger bass and thump, similar attack, less lower mids, less thick, similar soundstage a bit larger, more highs, a little more upper mids, equal timbre and tones, less isolation on the yamaha, more comfortable)
 
*The FOCAL SPIRIT PRO is a great headphone that imo can best the yamaha in a lot of ways making it equal to the yamaha in preference but slightly better in technicalities and balance. The yamaha has the advantage of having a more pleasing low end but the resolution of the Pro in the bass is between the yamaha and the Sony which means its a bit tighter than the yamaha but less textured than the Sony. The Pro also has an even more accurate balance. Though the mids of the pro sound a little thick in comparison the lower mids are in balance with the upper mids. I ultimately still kept the yamaha but if i could only keep one headphone the pro may slightly take the edge because I like my lower mids. This isn't to say that the yamaha has recessed mids but the balance is a little different. Sometimes i prefer the less thick mids of the yamaha but the Focal pro soundstage is large enough to make it a non issue. Again the pro bass may be too light for some and those wanting just a little more may prefer the yamaha. BOTH HAVE beautiful tones. 
 
*The close runner up is the Sony that has better bass resolution (the best out of all of them) similar sub bass quantity, s stronger build, faster, drier/less wet and only a little less highs. 
 
PADS:

 
hope to try more later. Next --- 1540 shure pads.
Mr Speakers Alpha pads:
- add comfort
- improve soundstage depth
- smooth the sound out and make them slightly darker
- a little more muffled and less forward
- increase bass quality
AdamTR
AdamTR
How is the DT-150 compared with the MT220?
pataburd
pataburd
Nice, thoughtful review!
I find the midrange on the MT-220 a bit lean.
That and the unavailability of a detachable cord are the major snafus with the Yamahas for me.
pataburd
pataburd
Cannot comment on the DT-150, but compared with the DT-1350, I much prefer the MT-220.  The Yamahas have more balanced response/more detail across the entire frequency spectrum IMHO.

grizzlybeast

My name is grizzlybeast and I'm an audioholic.
Pros: bass, detail, comfort, swappable pads, balanced tuning.
Cons: No detachable cable, case or pouch, needs burn in.
YAMAMAHA HPH-MT220 REVIEW
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preface: People can become fans of a product and get scared to be honest but I can honestly stand by the impressions below without wavering.  Other reviews I have posted are not as in depth for a reason as I feel this one worthy of full coverage(not that I am a good reviewer or anything... just saying).
                                                                             
 
OVERVIEW:
They are accurate for professional use with enough low end to please most. I don't use eq with these ever!
 
The thing about these headphones is that they are tuned for "modern studio applications". As we all know, modern music calls for bass. These are not bass monsters but the bass response is awesome!! If making or mixing EDM, these will translate very well to the speaker monitors given that the monitors reach as low as these. The tuning reflects what is on the recording. They also do good with everything I have thrown at them. I literally get goose bumps sometimes and they shock me. I stepped outside of my personal music genre favorites and get floored with my jaw slightly hanging. They become very clear/transparent after burn in and hold nothing back from you without the covering up of poorly recorded vocals. The mt220 will reveal to you the crappy mics some artists may have used as an accurate window into the recording while staying delightfully enjoyable.  
 
Dark sources on these are okay but neutral sources imo help you see its balance. I used to be a mid range lover and still am but prefer balance and that is what these have. Though they have a little more energy in the treble, I can honestly say nothing is recessed. They have a bite to them at first that makes it seem like you are getting rushed with detail and crispy instruments. The slightly murky lower mids clear up after burn in. Compared to a Pioneer hdj 2000 these are way more transparent right out of the box. I just had slight issues with the lower mids at times pre burn in. Now that is non existent.  If you don't believe in burn in like I didn't then these will prove it to you if you give them time. I have never heard a headphone go through so many changes as these. Now I can say that mine are completely burned in and I still can't put them down.
 
 
SPECIFIC QUALITES:
- Pad swapping/rolling is a synch with many options
- Not genre specific
- Kind of raw sounding
- Awesome tuning on the headphones
- Scalable (amping is suggested but not needed at all)
- Balanced sound that is awesome for reference purposes
- Revealing of bad recordings

- Revealing of equipment signatures and quality
- The bass doesn't make all songs sound bass heavy and is moderately textured and will satisfy the bass hungry
- Bass slams when it needs to and extends low
- Great attack
- Mids are not recessed or too forward
- highs are clear and not rolled off
- decent soundstage as well but not artificial with accurately sized instruments
- barely any mid bass hump with little to no booming into the mids
- sturdy build
- handles power easily
- little distortion
- little sibilance
- sound improves as you listen
 
SPECIFIC FLAWS:
- pre-burn in lacks some transparency in the lower mids
- lacks isolation
- stock pads are shallow
- no detachable cord
- little accessories (I need to try the cd it comes with)
- can be unforgiving
 
FR GRAPH:
http://personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/yamaha-hph-mt-220/
(this is from personalaudio.ru I dont even know if I picked the right one but its the only one site I could find)
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AMPING/SOURCING:
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These don't need an amp to sound good but an amp definitely helps especially for portable uses. The fiio x3 and plain ipod leaves me a bit unsatisfied. When I plug them into my iMac they actually shine. They will tell you exactly what your source sounds like so just choose wisely. I suggest something with a tight low end(no need for bass boost), detailed sound, and average or above average soundstage and these will reward you greatly. They don't need anything to add to it basically but just an amp/source that won't take away what it has already because it can be easily held back.
 
- JDS Labs ODAC and Schiit Vali : The combo is smoothing them out slightly but helping the soundstage and adding a little air. The drums, instrument attacks, bass thumps, and kicks are being a little rounded off with these two.  So this combo is allowing its soundstage to breathe as well and lower level noises are more easily focused on. I immediately missed the edge of these on first impression, but now I appreciate how refined these have become with this combo. The combo has also given better instrument separation and detail. It makes for a sweet listen on some songs and others slightly more dull. That being said the Yamaha can never be dull to me and it would take a lot to make them boring. Overall its a good match.
 
- The Fiio X3: restricted the soundstage, darkened the headphones, made them less engaging than the Vali and ODAC, added bass warmth(which was not needed), and made the mids less clear. I think that is just how the x3 sounds on its own. I am making the x3 sound worse than it really is but imo I think these will do great on a better and more neutral source and I felt the fiio was holding them back. I respect the x3 though as it paired really well with the k545 and gave it the warmth and push it needed.
 
- The Nuforce ICON DAC: Great match however not only is the natural punch, dynamics, clarity and raw sound of these headphones back but a bit enhanced and a tad bright. The Nuforce takes away nothing from what the headphone has to offer. I would however like to use it with another tube amp because the Nuforce alone is a bit bright and turns from neutral to slightly bright but with full mids and deep bass. So far this is the best. The Vali with the DAC section of the Nuforce also makes a good match and places things almost right where they should be but not a huge difference from the Nuforce ICON DAC all by itself using both the dac and amp sections.
 
 
HEADPHONE BUILD/AESTHETICS:
 
They look great in person and are light and comfortable with the pads enveloping the ears. I would definitely not call these lifestyle headphones though and in public you will look like you walked out of a studio. They do however look great in the studio or home next to an iMac,PC, or laptop<<<all in my opinion of course.
 
 The chord is coiled closer to the jack which has a very heavy duty screw on adapter that is only usable with the Yamaha.  Where the cord goes in to the jack is a spring protector to prevent the end from breaking. They are made with a very sturdy plastic and like most headphones have the metal inside of the headband encased in this plastic. The driver housing is plastic as well with a brushed metal plate around the driver compartment. 
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The cushion on the headband is thin but wide and is fairly comfortable. My ears fit in the pads with the inside opening measuring 6.25 cm top to bottom and 4.5 cm left to right
Though they are not the most comfortable headphones I have worn, they do have minimal clamping pressure and seem to have more of a universal fit. I can't picture to many people complaining about the fit of these. 
 
HEADPHONE COMPARISONS:
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE FOLLOWING DONT HAVE ITS THINGS IT DOES BETTER THAN THE YAMAHA OR THAT THE YAMAHA IS BETTER. These are distinctive things the yamaha does better in my opinion and from memory. I remember still preferring the ZMF modded fostex over all of these in preference (not technicalities) so its not included.
*close contenders
 
 
____AKG k545 (yamaha = stronger bass, more depth, better transient response, less restrained/more forward and energetic, better lower mids,  more natural timbres, more accurate, less gentle, less treble emphasis)
____*Sony mdr 7520(yamaha = smoother, wider soundstage, more sub bass, less midbass hump, more neutral mids (slightly less mids) and balanced highs(sony slightly darker), more treble, less thick, stronger attack)
____Sennheiser Momentum ( yamaha =  larger soundstage, tighter bass, more detailed, better instrument separation, more accurate of the mix, slightly more bright, more transparent)
____Philips L1 (yamaha =  less flabby, more controlled, larger instruments, more forward, more detailed, better resolution, similar balance, better attack, more transparent)
____AKG K550 (yamaha = more natural timbre, more accurate of the mix, more bass, fuller but neutral mids so basically not recessed, less bright, smaller soundstage, better attack, more body and weight more forward, more snap)
____Denon AH-D2000 (yamaha = less boomy in bass but similar impact, more mids, less grain, more transparent, weightier/more organic sound, smoother)
____German maestro 8.35 d (its been a while, but yamaha = more bass, very similar balance, less fatiguing,less sibilant, better details and instrument separation)
____Beyerdynamic COP(yamaha = tighter bass, less bright, less air, fuller/weightier notes, better resolution, better instrument separation)
____Beyerdynamic dt 770(yamaha = better depth, fuller/weightier sound, stronger mids, less bright, stronger impact/attack/slam, more refined, better details, better instrument separation)
____JVC DX700(yamaha = better attack and punch, faster, similar bass quality, less bass, less soft and smoothed over, more treble, more balanced, less dark, less genre/song specific, less cavernous)
 
 
*The YAMAHA GETS BETTER AND BETTER and after burn in bests the above even in technicalities the close runner up is the Sony that has better bass resolution (the best out of all of them) similar sub bass quantity, s stronger build, faster, drier/less wet and only a little less highs. 
 
PADS:
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hope to try more later. maybe --- 1540 shure pads.
Mr Speakers Alpha pads:
- add comfort
- improve soundstage depth
- smooth the sound out and make them slightly darker
- increase bass quality
grizzlybeast
grizzlybeast
that is from memory to a fault. The cop is still a bright headphone in general. Its highs are still boosted the yamaha isnt dark. it has a slight boost in treble
RushNerd
RushNerd
Is the isolation really not good? I could be wrong but I thought with even the stock pads they did a damn good job; at least reasonable. I put them on and sounds outside go away pretty well and if I put the cans on a head-like object they don't leak very much. I'm pretty impressed/happy with them in that area. 
 
Now I assume if you had them up loud in a quiet room on your head, it might be a bit much.
grizzlybeast
grizzlybeast
@RushNerd this is an old review but I am sure I meant leakage. These are not the best solution for tracking. 

grizzlybeast

My name is grizzlybeast and I'm an audioholic.
Pros: detail, air, bass, neutrality (besides bass), comfort, looks, easy to drive, soundstage, lack of sibilance
Cons: fragile, chord?
Previous review deleted
 
 
My impressions changed after having a brand NEW pair. I think the first set was faulty or something. This is an engaging headphone with very good balance and a healthy bass. Cons would be that It could use a little more transparency to sound hifi and the bass could be slightly tighter and reach lower in a perfect world. So this isnt a perfect world if you didnt know and even though the new l2 has a blacker background and a more hifi sound its balance is off in comparison. 
grizzlybeast
grizzlybeast
oh yeah make the momentum a little bigger too. I somehow think they were trying to swing the pendulum away from huge cups and went too far.
GosuGoose
GosuGoose
I owned HE-400's and I can handily disagree with you that they are good for electronic music. They DO NOT reach deep enough down on the low end to get that real bone rattling sub-bass that makes you squeal when you listen to electronic music. I sold them, then tried the K712 Pro, sold those too (same problem). 
grizzlybeast
grizzlybeast
^That was for open back headphones. What other open back headphone can do electronic better in this price range?
Overall I would agree that the he400 is not ideal, but for that matter not many if any open back is.

grizzlybeast

My name is grizzlybeast and I'm an audioholic.
Pros: tight solid bass, nice mids and highs, can't find any flaws right now sound wise.
Cons: Looks maybe. But it looks good on me.
Build:
10/10
Sturdiest pair of headphones I have ever bought. You would be hard pressed to find a better build despite its mostly plastic parts. They may look cheap at a glance but in person they do not. Very well planned build. 
Also for those who like high listening volumes you can expect them not to fry easily. 
 
Comfort:
7.5/10
These do clamp decently but I actually prefer that so this part is subjective just as well as all others. The pads are soft but not deep. I do not have a trustworthy perspective here because I find most headphones comfortable. They are not heavy and I do find them a little more comfortable than the he-400. Ears get a little warm. With a lot of movement these will not fall off the head or slip in anyway.
If you got the velour pads from the german site it would bump the comfort up to an 8.5. The cups envelope the ears. The headband is simple and not the best either.
 
Sound:
Bass 7.5/10
The bass reaches really low and is tight. Quantity can be a tad more for my preference but is sufficient
 
Mids 8/10 The mids are clear and strong. The mids are def not what I would call recessed here. Not as transparent as a momentum, but clear none the less. 
 
Highs 8/10 Not sibiliant in most cases. 
 
I am a little bit baffled with the combination of bass mids and highs here. I am impressed to say the least. 
 
The instruments are distinguishable and easy to tell apart.
 
Volume:
These don't need an amp to get pretty loud but responded to my budget fiio e11 nicely. I was nervous about using the fiio e11 on it because it tends to darken the sound but they did fine. They did not distort at high volumes and easily become an engaging listen. 
 
Genres: For some reason I can't imagine a genre that these would mess up. It seems like they are colored but everything is somewhat even sounding. The lows, the mids and the highs don't seem to take away from each other. I don't understand how these headphones do this but it does. 
 
Isolation:
10/10
While my wife is vacuuming i cannot hear a thing. Also while she is sleeping she cannot hear a thing. Well maybe a little but not enough to matter at all. This is at high volumes and she is able to sleep. Other headphones were not even close to this.  I was surprised and believe that only in ears can do better than these in this regards. Very minimal leakage and great isolation. If you are into recording and like to feel the music while recording but don't want it bleeding into the mic to mess with recording GET THESE FOR SURE!!!!!! better than the dt770 for recording for sure.
 
I have always had to be cautious of recording with the headphones loud because of leakage and not with these. 
 
SUMMARY:
Basically If I were to design a headphone in this price range to fit my listening preferences I would just add a bit more taming in the sound. I would also make it a little more minimalistic and modern in the looks department. BUT since I can't design headphones then these will be the clear, near perfect winner. 
 
These headphones make an engaging and accurate listen perfect 
 
The aiaiai tma1 is similar to this headphone in the way that it makes it like a headphone without many parts and simple in design. But the sound of these IMHO is superior and no way would I trade these for the tma1. These sound like almost everything I wished the COPS to be - Solid bass, strong mids and clear highs without much sibilance. It is the more high fidelity listen of headphones in competition and the sturdier built can. 
AmberOzL
AmberOzL
Great review. Glad you like them and welcome to the club :)
grizzlybeast
grizzlybeast
right on! just trying to find earpads for them. to let them breathe a little and look cool lol.
Bagobones
Bagobones
Good stuff! Your quote "While my wife is vacuuming i cannot hear a thing.", put them straight up on my "must listen to before I buy my next pair" list...

grizzlybeast

My name is grizzlybeast and I'm an audioholic.
Pros: detail. minimal leakage, soundstage
Cons: hollow, bass sucks, looks sturdy but not. could keep going
I need to try and be fair with these headphones. but its hard with such a disappointing experience.
 
Pros:
pretty detailed
minimal leakage!
bass adjustment is not a gimmick
bass quantity
 
 
 
Cons:
hollow sound
mids recessed 
bass is loose with no real presence
pads feel uncomfortable(easy fix)
distorts at high volumes
 
Summary:
I could get by if the bass was present and sounded a little hollow because it would fill up the sound a little. But I have heard other Beyers and recorded with the dt 770 and cant remember the bass being that flabby. Flabby bass plus V shaped hollow sound and harsh sibilance=wack. Its like its there but it's not ...so weird. I have never heard a headphone do that. The four positions are cool to have and a great thing to have but for me I would much rather prefer one that didnt have it and just did it right to begin with. Position 1 is absolutely useless, sounding so thin and horrible that you can't even understand who would use it. They should have left it at three and made it more present. 4 is loud but Its hard to explain a bass that is loud but not really there. Its like some thing is missing. 
 
At loud volumes they rattle and do all sorts of weird things. These definitely are not made for the modern <35 listener and can't even imagine them for someone over 35 because they are so sibilant and hurt my youthful ears. I blast my ears btw with other cans and love loud music (prob shouldn't) but when plugged into my my late version iMac they hurt my ears. I have never heard headphones do this. This may sound stupid and trust me I am no beats advocate but I would actually recommend those over these. You would lose detail but these hurt my ears more than those for some reason. I would never buy either and hate even mentioning Beats. But wow what a disappointment. I lost my hdj2000 headphones and was hoping to get something to reach lower. But the hdj 2000 blow these away, though the COPS do reach a little lower. But its like it reached down into the well of bass and grabbed mud instead of water.
 
 
Update: 2016 ... dang these suck... horrible headphones... heard em again and was like.... wow these suck.... lol  Read my review again and was like... dang I sucked lol. 
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JonahNguyen
JonahNguyen
You guys do know you have to burn them in for a super long time. It seems like you guys didnt. 
MrRockliffe
MrRockliffe
They take an awful long time to burn in, but after just 4 months mine broke. Second pair, 5 months and they broke. Same thing both times - rattling from the left ear when there's any sign of bass. Shame, because I love the sound of them.
ianeith
ianeith
I always find it hilarious when someone says something like "[I have] the he400 (you can check my profile)."
 
Because their profile is inspected and verified by a United Nations Committee, no doubt.
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