Budget Audiophile Smartphones
Sep 21, 2016 at 9:30 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 17

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BACKGROUND
 
To keep the long story short, I sold my Fiio X1. I needed the budget at that time and honestly, I missed the convenience of a smartphone as a music player. It's so easy to organize files, create and modify playlists, download multiple album art, and search for songs with touchscreen and search features. I ended up selling my E11K (A3) too for the heck of it. 
 
Though decent smartphones can sound really really good, I immediately noticed that something went away with the music. Transients and attack were noticeably softer. Soundstage is about the same as well as imaging. Detail resolution is still decent but not quite to the level of the X1 + E11K combo. And lastly, the grunt and punch that hardware bass boost brings cannot be matched by smartphone EQs even if you crank up the bass frequencies. Eventually, I ended up upgrading my amp to the E12. I'm yet to review the unit but upon plugging it to my smartphone, I can immediately say that it's worth double the price of the E11K. I just really need to somehow regain some sonic characteristics the X1 has before. Now to my actual reason for posting here.
 
 
MY ACTUAL QUESTION
 
Does any of you audio masters have any experience with the following smartphones?
 
  1. Alcatel Flash Plus 2 (http://www.flash3c.com/flash-plus-2/hi-fi/) - I'm more interested in it's audio capabilities (Asahi Kasei AKM4375 DAC + NXP9890 AMP), plus it retails at about the same price as the Fiio X1 here in the Philippines with full smartphone capabilities. For anyone who has them, will it at least sound good enough that I won't miss my X1 on it's own? If I pair it with my E12, will it sound considerably close or even better than my previous X1 + E11K combo?
  2. Lenovo K4 Note (https://lenovomobile.com.ph/lenovo-vibe-k4-note/) - This uses the same audio architecture as the Marshall London (Wolfson WM8281 Audio Hub). Same question as above (vs my X1 + E11K). This is about twice the price of the Flash Plus 2 but will it sound significantly better with the Wolfson chip? I prefer a neutral SQ vs a warm one (like what I've heard for most Wolfson embedded DAPs). Is the 8281 more neutral than older Wolfson chipsets?
  3. Samsung Galaxy Mega 5.8 (i9152) - I currently own this one and it sounds pretty good, especially when paired with my E12. I can't find any further info about its audio architecture. All I know is it's using the same Broadcomm chipset used by the Samsung S2. Not really one my options to purchase but if you have the same experience as I am finding the SQ to be really good, please share here. I just need to know if I'll just keep this one instead of buying a new one.
 
I'm asking since demo units for these two are mostly not available and stocks are mostly exclusive to some sellers, especially the Flash Plus 2. So the impressions you'll be providing are very important.
 
We also have the Meizu MX4 and MX4 Pro and the Vivo V3 and V3 Max available here but those are somewhat out of my budget plus it's not guaranteed that those will sound much better than the ones I listed above given the bigger cost. 
 
The Lenovo X3 is also very expensive and I don't think I'd shoot for that price point though it's tempting. Again, if the sound improvement is marginal at best, it may not be worth it. 
 
 
FINAL THOUGHTS
 
I might end up just buying a dedicated DAP again (X1 or the new X1ii with bluetooth if it comes out, or the X3ii with more features) if what you'll say about these phones convinces me to. But please, please help me decide by providing as much info as possible. Thanks in advance!
 
Sep 22, 2016 at 11:01 AM Post #2 of 17
BACKGROUND
 
To keep the long story short, I sold my Fiio X1. I needed the budget at that time and honestly, I missed the convenience of a smartphone as a music player. It's so easy to organize files, create and modify playlists, download multiple album art, and search for songs with touchscreen and search features. I ended up selling my E11K (A3) too for the heck of it. 
 
Though decent smartphones can sound really really good, I immediately noticed that something went away with the music. Transients and attack were noticeably softer. Soundstage is about the same as well as imaging. Detail resolution is still decent but not quite to the level of the X1 + E11K combo. And lastly, the grunt and punch that hardware bass boost brings cannot be matched by smartphone EQs even if you crank up the bass frequencies. Eventually, I ended up upgrading my amp to the E12. I'm yet to review the unit but upon plugging it to my smartphone, I can immediately say that it's worth double the price of the E11K. I just really need to somehow regain some sonic characteristics the X1 has before. Now to my actual reason for posting here.
 
 
MY ACTUAL QUESTION
 
Does any of you audio masters have any experience with the following smartphones?
 
  1. Alcatel Flash Plus 2 (http://www.flash3c.com/flash-plus-2/hi-fi/) - I'm more interested in it's audio capabilities (Asahi Kasei AKM4375 DAC + NXP9890 AMP), plus it retails at about the same price as the Fiio X1 here in the Philippines with full smartphone capabilities. For anyone who has them, will it at least sound good enough that I won't miss my X1 on it's own? If I pair it with my E12, will it sound considerably close or even better than my previous X1 + E11K combo?
  2. Lenovo K4 Note (https://lenovomobile.com.ph/lenovo-vibe-k4-note/) - This uses the same audio architecture as the Marshall London (Wolfson WM8281 Audio Hub). Same question as above (vs my X1 + E11K). This is about twice the price of the Flash Plus 2 but will it sound significantly better with the Wolfson chip? I prefer a neutral SQ vs a warm one (like what I've heard for most Wolfson embedded DAPs). Is the 8281 more neutral than older Wolfson chipsets?
  3. Samsung Galaxy Mega 5.8 (i9152) - I currently own this one and it sounds pretty good, especially when paired with my E12. I can't find any further info about its audio architecture. All I know is it's using the same Broadcomm chipset used by the Samsung S2. Not really one my options to purchase but if you have the same experience as I am finding the SQ to be really good, please share here. I just need to know if I'll just keep this one instead of buying a new one.
 
I'm asking since demo units for these two are mostly not available and stocks are mostly exclusive to some sellers, especially the Flash Plus 2. So the impressions you'll be providing are very important.
 
We also have the Meizu MX4 and MX4 Pro and the Vivo V3 and V3 Max available here but those are somewhat out of my budget plus it's not guaranteed that those will sound much better than the ones I listed above given the bigger cost. 
 
The Lenovo X3 is also very expensive and I don't think I'd shoot for that price point though it's tempting. Again, if the sound improvement is marginal at best, it may not be worth it. 
 
 
FINAL THOUGHTS
 
I might end up just buying a dedicated DAP again (X1 or the new X1ii with bluetooth if it comes out, or the X3ii with more features) if what you'll say about these phones convinces me to. But please, please help me decide by providing as much info as possible. Thanks in advance!


What's your budget?
 
Oct 14, 2016 at 3:16 AM Post #5 of 17
LeTV X800 in aliexpress.
 
Lowest for 32G is $170
Lowest for 64 GB is $206
 
You will be satisfied for sure.
 
Oct 14, 2016 at 4:48 AM Post #7 of 17
And just to add, I have the Alcatel and no, no, and no..my wife has a Samsung Galaxy Grand which has way better sound quality than my phone.
I rooted it, use Viper but still it is so far behind my Fiio M3 that it cannot be recommended. Of course using an external DAC might solve the issue but straight headphone out is poor.
 
Oct 16, 2016 at 9:20 PM Post #8 of 17
Sorry for the late reply @Intensecure. And thank you very much for confirming! Finally, someone who has actual experience with the phone itself. This just might be the push I need to go back to a dedicated DAP for my music indulgence. As I mentioned on the original post, I believe my Samsung Mega 5.8 has a really decent sound. And paired with the E12, I believe it can go head to head with budget DAPs. 
 
By any chance, do you have any experience with Huawei phones and how their headphone out perform sound wise? Reason I'm asking is I'm getting a free Huawei Y6 Pro for my phone plan and I'm wondering if it's any good for music (decent at least to be paired with the E12). Again, now I'm leaning towards just going back to a dedicated DAP for pure sound quality. But the convenience of organizing music via a smartphone is still tempting. 
 
Looking forward to your insights yet again. Thanks!
 
Oct 16, 2016 at 9:35 PM Post #9 of 17
audiophilefan no problem, at least you didn't buy this phone..you would have been disappointed with the sound as I am.
Sorry, no experience with other brands at all. Can't help you there. All I will add are all the things that you know.. A separate DAP for me makes more sense - no battery drain on my phone, better sound (than on the phones I've used anyway I.e. inexpensive ones) I prefer the "purity" of a separate music player, easier to slide into the pocket for gym sessions etc etc. All these things you know already:wink:. And all just IMHO.
Hope you choose correctly and enjoy! :)
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 10:44 AM Post #11 of 17
Jan 6, 2017 at 7:04 PM Post #13 of 17
About 150 eu for a smartphone . i look for a phone upgrade from moto g 2014 , also serving dap purposes since my ipod classic died.


letv x800
 
Jan 15, 2017 at 9:50 AM Post #14 of 17
I am looking for a smartphone with a similar budget but less than 5,2" size.
 
I am taking a look to the HTC M8 and the ZTE Axon mini, but I do not have the chance to try them. People with experience in both, could please advise?
Any other suggestion less than 5,2"?
 
Jan 15, 2017 at 7:29 PM Post #15 of 17
  I am looking for a smartphone with a similar budget but less than 5,2" size.
 
I am taking a look to the HTC M8 and the ZTE Axon mini, but I do not have the chance to try them. People with experience in both, could please advise?
Any other suggestion less than 5,2"?


HTC M8 has power to drive full sized headphones (my Beyer DT250 80ohm) but the clarity is lacking compared to a Cowon J3 or Plenue D.
 
Just not quite good enough for me.
 

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