E9 vs Matrix M-Stage?
Aug 26, 2011 at 10:31 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 6

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Anybody compared these two? 
 
I had the E9 and found it transparent and strong.  I ditched it because of the static on the Volume pot.  I now have a AUNE which I like better (after a few EQ adjustments), but am ready to upgrade to an M-Stage.  I was told there isn't much sound difference between M-Stage and E9.
 
Thoughts?
 
Aug 26, 2011 at 10:49 PM Post #2 of 6
I've done a brief comparison. I own the E9 but only got to try the M-Stage for a while.
 
There are some amps that you can tell are on a mindblowingly different level from other amps.
The M-Stage is not one of those amps with regard to the E9.
 
It was not significantly different from the E9 in any area.
 
Both are fairly transparent sounding amps with good midrange and good performance all around. I personally think the M-Stage is a waste of money since you can get an E9 for so much cheaper.
 
Aug 26, 2011 at 10:56 PM Post #3 of 6
Wow very interesting.  What might you suggest would be the next in line mind blowing upgrade from an E9 then?
 
Aug 26, 2011 at 11:31 PM Post #4 of 6
I'm not sure yet. When I find such an amp I'll let you know. My knowledge of the higher end amps, whether tube or solid-state, is woefully inadequate.
 
I found that the E9 was a big step up from any $100 amp you can buy (or build), pretty much no exception. It was similar in quality to a $300-$500 hybrid tube amp that I got a few years ago, the Dared MP5. Even with tube-rolling, the E9 traded blows easily with the MP5 to the point that I don't even use the MP5 any more.
 
I've heard some other more expensive amps like the LD MkIV, the Asgard, and HF EF5, none of them really stood heads and shoulders above the E9 so I haven't quite found a mind-blowing replacement yet. When I do, it'll become part of my gear repertoire.  I hope to test out a Beta 22 amp soon. There's one being sold locally here and it's definitely making my wallet nervous.
 
 
You also need to ask what you consider to be mind-blowing. Are you looking for a huge boost in warmth? Are you just talking about sheer transparency and neutrality? Something with adds an unbelievably wide soundstage? Different people have different tastes and different ideas of what a "perfect" amp should sound like. 
 
The E9 belongs to the "transparency" class of amps by my ear and its best attribute is its oozingly-liquid midrange. Its weaknesses IMO are a lack of body in the low end and it could be warmer -- but that's because I like warm sounding and bassy gear.
 
In the portable category I have the C&C X02 which I tend to use more than the E9. It's a portable but it packs a lot of punch, and it has a very warm, bassy and laidback signature which is just perfect. I prefer its sound to the Mustang, which is more than twice its price, although it's not by any reach a better amp than the Mustang, as the Mustang is clearly superior in the midrange comapred to the X02.  I have yet to find a mind-blowing amp to replace the X02 as well, although the X02 pretty much blew away my older portables like the E7. 
 
Aug 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM Post #5 of 6
Frankly it depends on what headphones you're using. I find that my very sensitive AD2000s sound absolutely awful on the E-9, but amazing on the m-Stage. The gain is simply way too high to be a good match for these. Maybe it's the output impedence too, idk. Also, although they are both pretty neutral sounding amps, I find the m-Stage to be much smoother, more musical, and warmer at the top end which is a much better match for my headphones and tastes. The E-9 in comparison is downright harsh at times, and smooth isn't a term I'd ever use to describe the E-9 with.
 
The E-9 really reminds me of my (v.1) Asgard when it came to every headphone I threw at it: powerful, but harsh, bland, and boring at the same time. Keep in mind too that my m-Stage was biased into Class A with the Bowndog/OPA627 adapter.
 
-Daniel
 
Aug 29, 2011 at 10:50 AM Post #6 of 6
m-Stage have better dynamics and a more exciting sound than the E9 IMO, but I changed the opamps to opa637sm.
 

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