Final Audio Design Impressions and Discussion Thread
May 21, 2018 at 9:35 AM Post #7,621 of 11,665
The E4000 and E5000 just hit Singapore today. Here are my impressions.

E4000:
Bass boost with a perhaps lifted treble. Rather warm tonality throughout. Due to the large note size of the bass, I do think it made busy songs congested. However the bass is neither fast nor slow. Decent attack and decay. It is just larger in size. It's mids are fairly lush and sweet. There is definitely bleeding going on to some degree. Highs feel rather organic and warm. Honestly, nothing much to say about the E4K. Generic signature that would please the general masses.

Transparency is decent for the price point. Staging is rather average in all dimensions too.

E5000:
Slight bass boost with laidback highs. Definitely darker than the E4K. It is not as warm (still a slight tilt to warmness from neutral) too. This one had greater transparency and separation+layering compared to the E4K, and as a result does not sound as congested (it still is to some level). It is to note that due to it being more natural than warm, the sound is seemingly less distorted.

The bass notes are not as big in size but are faster and tighter. Mids, especially the vocals, were beautifully warm with great articulation. Highs can be a problem for people who listen to genres that uses a lot of cymbals, but other than that it should be fine. Less fatiguing too.

Compared to the Etymotic ER4SR, it still loses out in terms of transparency and layering. Has a greater degree of separation though. Staging is also larger on the E5K, but not a lot larger. I like to think of the E5K as a more natural and laid-back brother of the ER4SR.

I don't think I can recommend the E4K now that comets are available. The E5K however, boasts greater clarity and technical prowess over the younger brother (E4K). I enjoyed the E5K a lot despite my short time with it. Love the vocals.
 
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May 21, 2018 at 9:54 AM Post #7,622 of 11,665
Now that I think about it, I think the E5K is a commendable effort and is a push in the right direction for FAD IEMs. I have not been impressed with their F and Heaven Series (with some exceptions in there) due to their mids lacking sheer clarity and bordering on muddy. I will need to test out the E5K more.

Cheers.
 
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May 21, 2018 at 4:57 PM Post #7,623 of 11,665
The E4000 and E5000 just hit Singapore today. Here are my impressions.

E4000:
Bass boost with a perhaps lifted treble. Rather warm tonality throughout. Due to the large note size of the bass, I do think it made busy songs congested. However the bass is neither fast nor slow. Decent attack and decay. It is just larger in size. It's mids are fairly lush and sweet. There is definitely bleeding going on to some degree. Highs feel rather organic and warm. Honestly, nothing much to say about the E4K. Generic signature that would please the general masses.

Transparency is decent for the price point. Staging is rather average in all dimensions too.

E5000:
Slight bass boost with laidback highs. Definitely darker than the E4K. It is not as warm (still a slight tilt to warmness from neutral) too. This one had greater transparency and separation+layering compared to the E4K, and as a result does not sound as congested (it still is to some level). It is to note that due to it being more natural than warm, the sound is seemingly less distorted.

The bass notes are not as big in size but are faster and tighter. Mids, especially the vocals, were beautifully warm with great articulation. Highs can be a problem for people who listen to genres that uses a lot of cymbals, but other than that it should be fine. Less fatiguing too.

Compared to the Etymotic ER4SR, it still loses out in terms of transparency and layering. Has a greater degree of separation though. Staging is also larger on the E5K, but not a lot larger. I like to think of the E5K as a more natural and laid-back brother of the ER4SR.

I don't think I can recommend the E4K now that comets are available. The E5K however, boasts greater clarity and technical prowess over the younger brother (E4K). I enjoyed the E5K a lot despite my short time with it. Love the vocals.

Thanks for your thoughts. I might pick up the E5000. I’ve been looking for a ER4SR but I already have the ER4XR. The E5000 would be a nice option.
 
May 21, 2018 at 9:02 PM Post #7,624 of 11,665


DX150>Final Audio e5000

It really is one of the most honest and natural timbres I've ever heard. I will be enamored with these for years to come.
 
May 21, 2018 at 9:19 PM Post #7,625 of 11,665
Soooo...when are the E4000/E5000 available in North America?
 
May 21, 2018 at 11:51 PM Post #7,627 of 11,665
Heaven series with issues in the mids? You are probably not speaking about the V and surely not about the VI.

I am speaking mainly about the VI. Their mids were too warm and bodied while still lacking clarity.
 
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May 21, 2018 at 11:56 PM Post #7,628 of 11,665


DX150>Final Audio e5000

It really is one of the most honest and natural timbres I've ever heard. I will be enamored with these for years to come.

Agree with the fantastic timbre. I've been thinking about it since yesterday. These types of sound signature are typically not my cup of tea but it is pretty coherent. Would consider a pair down the line to complement my other iems.
 
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May 22, 2018 at 5:36 AM Post #7,629 of 11,665
I'm still inside the first hour of listening with the E5000, but so far really impressed. Many of you refer to a slight bass boost...so far, in some tracks, the low/sub bass is more powerful than my Xelentos. However, it doesn't seem bloated and it's quite well controlled. It is quite darker compared to Xelento and E3000 but i'm hoping it will change with the burn-in. I remember when i got the FI-BA-SST that it was quite dark the first 20-30 hours (and yes, i know is a BA driver, but it did change with the burn-in). It retains the airy character and separation from E3000, with more body. Let's see after 50 hours how it sounds...
One guy was asking about the differences with Heaven IV...To be honest, since i got the FI-BA-SST and E3000, i didn't feel the need to put them on. Keep in mind that for a long time i was in love with H4. With E5000 i think it does everything H4 does, and better. Great space, incomparable bass quality, and very very organic. I listen to a lot of classical music also, and E5000 i'm sure will be better for that.
 
May 22, 2018 at 5:47 AM Post #7,630 of 11,665
Seems like the e5000 is great, but haven't heard too much about the e4000 yet
 
May 22, 2018 at 6:59 AM Post #7,631 of 11,665
I got my e4000 since may 10th,
when I got them I listened 5 songs on both e4000 and e5000 and I could not really tell any difference. The cable and the stainless steel housing of the e5000 looks very nice but since they sounded very similar to me I went for the cheaper e4000. I don't mind spending more for nice materials, but i like the black e4000 and the aluminium housing makes the e4000 feel very light and comfortable.

I am very happy with them, every kind of music sounds great they are extremely comfortable the included eartips are great and very cheap to get spares.

I am not too great with all the lingo I see used here, but the bass and lower tones have a nice kick to them without drowning out the other instruments, vocals are amazing I have been enjoying one of my favorite artists Bjork more than ever.

I can compare them to the magaosi K3 pro and MEE P1 I have when I get home later, but from memory the K3's heavy bass ruins most other instruments while the e4000 sounds beautiful with every song and you can clearly hear every instrument/detail, plus the shape of the K3 hurts my ears. Also from memory I enjoyed the sound of the MEE P1 also but the metal alloy is way heavier, I prefer the e4000 shape and weight, I can listen more closely to compare them later if anyone is interested.
 
May 22, 2018 at 9:36 AM Post #7,632 of 11,665
I got my e4000 since may 10th,
when I got them I listened 5 songs on both e4000 and e5000 and I could not really tell any difference. The cable and the stainless steel housing of the e5000 looks very nice but since they sounded very similar to me I went for the cheaper e4000. I don't mind spending more for nice materials, but i like the black e4000 and the aluminium housing makes the e4000 feel very light and comfortable.

I am very happy with them, every kind of music sounds great they are extremely comfortable the included eartips are great and very cheap to get spares.

I am not too great with all the lingo I see used here, but the bass and lower tones have a nice kick to them without drowning out the other instruments, vocals are amazing I have been enjoying one of my favorite artists Bjork more than ever.

I can compare them to the magaosi K3 pro and MEE P1 I have when I get home later, but from memory the K3's heavy bass ruins most other instruments while the e4000 sounds beautiful with every song and you can clearly hear every instrument/detail, plus the shape of the K3 hurts my ears. Also from memory I enjoyed the sound of the MEE P1 also but the metal alloy is way heavier, I prefer the e4000 shape and weight, I can listen more closely to compare them later if anyone is interested.

What genre do you listen to? Generally one should throw harder tracks when auditioning/demoing gear. Hard rock and metal is good to hear transparency, separation and layering.
 
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May 22, 2018 at 2:40 PM Post #7,633 of 11,665
What genre do you listen to? Generally one should throw harder tracks when auditioning/demoing gear. Hard rock and metal is good to hear transparency, separation and layering.

I listened to following songs in the store, both with the L final eartips.
CIV - can't wait one minute more
Guns n Roses - there was a time
Nick cave - darker with the day
Bjork - Black Lake (live)
FantomenK - The massacre

They all sounded great, but e4000 and e5000 seemed similar to me, I could not pick up great differences.
My Magaosi K3 butchers a lot of these songs. e.g. the guitar part in the CIV song is very unclear gets lost in the Bass/drum.
 
May 22, 2018 at 5:38 PM Post #7,634 of 11,665


DX150>Final Audio e5000

It really is one of the most honest and natural timbres I've ever heard. I will be enamored with these for years to come.
Hi,
how do the e4000 and e5000 compare to the Periodic Audio Be and the ibasso IT01? Is still the Periodic Audio Be the king of the hill?
I am looking for an IEM primarily for listening to rock, progressive electronic music and jazz.
Thanks
Lacas
 
May 22, 2018 at 8:38 PM Post #7,635 of 11,665
Hi,
how do the e4000 and e5000 compare to the Periodic Audio Be and the ibasso IT01? Is still the Periodic Audio Be the king of the hill?
I am looking for an IEM primarily for listening to rock, progressive electronic music and jazz.
Thanks
Lacas

I haven't done a thorough comparison of the e4000 and e5000, They are both still going through burn-in. But upon a brief listen, e4000 seemed to have brighter highs. Not bright per-say, yet brighter. e5000 was warmer and smoother.

Apart from that, I can't say just now.

Against the Periodic Be, e5000 has fuller vocals, a more velvety, refined presentation. Be is a more "fun" sounding, with bigger bass and brighter highs. e5000 sounds quite a bit more natural, with a mature tonality.

It's been too many weeks since last I heard the IT01, but from memory, it is much brighter and more detail-oriented. Not as smooth, warm, or natural. Even more in the "fun" tuning than the Be.

If you put a gun to my head right now, I would take the e5000 over all of them. But that may be because of the newness of it. Yet I somehow doubt it. I think it's just the superior monitor. Though, I reserve the right to change my mind after further listening. :D
 

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