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WOW. Just wow.I’ve given you the answer to figure it out for yourself, can lead a horse to water etc.
Happy to see everyone is still respectful of each other...
WOW. Just wow.I’ve given you the answer to figure it out for yourself, can lead a horse to water etc.
I sincerely meant no offense.WOW. Just wow.
Happy to see everyone is still respectful of each other...
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I think the issue here is you're still thinking of FR as just what you see on the graph. FR at the ear drum is going to be a lot more specific. Also, if that's a 711 based measurement (which is what it looks like) it's not actually showing perceptually relevant differences at low or high frequencies among those products.Can you explain to me which of the following IEMs below will reproduce a more authentic kick drum?
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I think the issue here is you're still thinking of FR as just what you see on the graph. FR at the ear drum is going to be a lot more specific. Also, if that's a 711 based measurement (which is what it looks like) it's not actually showing perceptually relevant differences at low or high frequencies among those products.
Two IEMs that measure the same in the bass on 711 systems can measure differently in the bass on 4.3 systems. But more importantly, they'll have a different FR result at the ear drums of individual people based on their anatomy. Remember that the graph you see is just the indicated performance on one "head".
Yeah so this is again a misconception due to the trend of measurements done on rigs that lack accurate acoustic Z. We'll need to do a video to clear this up, but when it comes to the whole "DD bass" thing, that is actually measurable.You can take two IEMs that have an identical bass shelf with both using DD drivers and measure them on whatever fancy rig you want, whatever you hear in your ears when you push play will not be shown on that measurement. Not all 9.2mm DD bass drivers are created equal, not all implementations are equal. You even state in your Storm review that the BA bass is very impactful and beats out most DD drivers, and you feel most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Do you think this is down to some perfected bass tuning that no one has discovered before or perhaps there is more to what is going on inside those shells instead?
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Again it just goes back to my original point from the very beginning. FR do not show things like coherency between different drivers, they cannot show bass texture, bass decay, perceived soundstage, etc. Your point a few pages ago was that FR is responsible for our experiences, and I am disagreeing with you that it isn't entirely responsible.
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CSD plot gives some idea of decay and impulse response and distortion profile also helps along with FR.Fair enough, I think it is part of it but not all of it so we can agree to disagree here. I do find this a tad condescending but I am also not here to make friends.
Gotcha, I guess we don't see eye to eye in terms of review content and that is okay.
I think consumers (or least those that are playing in this price bracket?) are looking beyond things than just the frequency response though otherwise we would just buy something with a similar tuning that is cheaper, no? But perhaps I am the one who is mistaken here. Again, I am not defending the Storm nor do I care who likes it or not. For all I know I'll sell mine next week and buy something else, who cares. I just think the amount of weight being put into FR is overblown from my own experiences. I would be having this same debate whether or not I owned the Storm. FR will never tell you things like texture, decay, punchiness, etc. If there is a way to know this by looking at a FR then please tell me, I am wanting to learn.
Yeah so this is again a misconception due to the trend of measurements done on rigs that lack accurate acoustic Z. We'll need to do a video to clear this up, but when it comes to the whole "DD bass" thing, that is actually measurable.
To your earlier point though, we focus on measurements because HRTFs do have a trend, and it's worth understanding the response in relation to that. What's NOT worth doing is overly reading the tea leaves above 5khz as perfect indications of how something might sound to YOU. You can get a reasonable sense of it, but it won't necessarily be 1:1. We can't be literalists about this stuff, but just because we can't that doesn't mean it's useless, or not highly useful.
The other point here is that concepts like "texture", "decay" and so forth are uniquely descriptions of the experience. And while I think I know what someone is referring to with these terms, there's no guarantee. Either way though, it's absolutely FR at the ear drum that's responsible, it's just never analyzed that way.
I suggest using EQ and playing with the balance between fundamental and overtone on things like drums or bass. The results may surprise you.
Most people who make or produce music are generally more open to the idea of FR being responsible for how these things impress upon us, because we EQ to aid in our control of presenting these aspects rather regularly.
I’ve given you the answer to figure it out for yourself, can lead a horse to water etc.: If ya don’t wish to use EQ, then that’s fine, but that is the way to unlock a bit of the understanding I’m talking about.