Actually I have one of those 6000 thousand Naim Player‘s the NDX 2, and also have the zen stream with an ipower elite and connected with audioquest Diamond network and usb. Strangely the Naim sounds better and is a lot Better, even with the Zen stream connected with cables that excede a lot is price. Maybe the Naim streamers are wrong and they should put Zen streams inside is boxes.
Have you actually have experience with Naim streamers or any other kind of high end streamer to say with confidence something like that, or have you ever listened some months in your day to day life with the gear you are affirming as being so bad for the price.
Even I think, do you even have a system that are transparent and have resolution enough to identify the benefits of a 6000 euros or more streamer can give you clearly.
Yes the Zen stream is ok, but not that good, if it is the ultimate streamer why the need to have a NEO stream, a signature one or latter on maybe a IFi Pro Streamer, maybe those when will come out make MSB or Esoteric feel bad, and audiophile people who buys them are deaf for sure, are you…
When people affirm something about a piece the never owned their credibility is not valid for me, The Naim Stream and the Zen are not the only streamers I have. Yes the Zen streamer is not that kind of a bargain, is good for the price.
For the life of me I don’t know why you’re getting defensive about my post or attacking me for it—if you like the way your NAIM sounds, more power to you, and who cares what I think?
However in response to your question about whether I have a DAC “resolving” enough to handle the mighty NAIM, I did a whole lot of comparison shopping for DACs at all price points (as a physician, I am capable of affording the pricey stuff, thanks—but I’m interested in actual quality), and I settled on the Topping D90se—the most “resolving”, transparent, cleanest and quietest DAC that has reached the market to date—and trust me, it can handle any signal you throw at it.
And I paired it with an iFi Pro iCAN Signature, which matches perfectly with the Focal Utopias, Susvaras, Dan Clark Stealths and the Sony Z1Rs I use via balanced connections to listen to it. Will that setup suffice?
As for your next question, I have indeed heard a NAIM streamer, but more importantly I understand what’s going on under the hood with streaming technology—which exists exclusively in the digital realm. So if you’re comparing the ZS’s streaming transport to the NAIM’s, the latter literally
can’t sound “better” because it doesn’t have a sound—unless of course your NAIM has a DAC, and you’re comparing apples to oranges.
If you aren’t using the internal DAC of the NAIM and you truly are comparing the sound quality between the two streaming signals only, then the only explanation that can possibly exist for your subjective assessment of that—based on the task they’re accomplishing—is that your $6,000 extra are tricking your ears into hearing it sound better, which believe me is a well-described phenomenon.
Either way, since we’re on the ZS forum, please take your praise for the NAIM—which is priced so feloniously that their CEO should be locked up—to its own forum, thank you!
PS Those Audioquest Diamond cables don’t do anything better than cheap Amazon cables can do, because again, digital. Network cables travel by TCP/IP and any packet errors are automatically sent back to be resent, and ones and zeros travel just as well along an inexpensive USB cable as they do across your four figure priced ones—this has been definitively proven a thousand times and Audioquest has never refuted it. It was nice and pretentious of you to drop the names though, just so we’d know how much you spent.
I don’t know about you, but I save my money for my headphones, where it matters—and I buy audio equipment to listen to it, not to impress folks on here. Just sayin’…