[newdoughboy]

It’s the future guys, and Im here to compare the Vivid to the Classic in the Burson Play


Taylor Swift - Enchanted

V6V

Very analytical, the instrument separation is very good, and detail is incredible. Very 3 dimensional. It does in a way make all the parts a little distracting.


V6V Duals and V6C Singles

Right away I noticed the detailed guitar notes are pulled back to let the vocals shine. Just a better presentation. Somehow the volume is quieter than all V6Vs.


V6C Duals and V6V Singles

The better matchup with very good detail and intimate vocals. Similar detail, witch a more cohesive presentation.


V6C

Lacking a little detail, good vocals with absolutely no fatigue. Soundstage is still good.


The Cranberries - Ode to My Family

V6V

Most detail to instruments. Percussion detail is just mesmerizing. Hard to just enjoy the music

V6V Duals and V6C Singles

More bass than all V6C

V6C Duals and V6V Singles

Gives more details and energy to guitar. Opens up the soundstage. Vocal layering more noticeable. Slightly louder. Vocal more fatiguing than all V6C

V6C

Very intimate vocals, with good guitar accompaniment. Warmer presentation. Smokey lounge feel.



Massive Attack - Angel

V6V

Deep and powerful bass, Piercing details.

V6V Duals and V6C Singles

Slightly less powerful bass than all V6V.

V6C Duals and V6V Singles

Good details, warms it just enough to soften the parts that would cause listening fatigue

V6C

Just a veil that removes too much energy from the music.


From the above 3 songs, I have determined that I definitely want the V6V singles in my Burson Play. I also decided that I don’t want All V6V or V6C, I’m going to try to find the best combination.


Next, I listened to a few songs to determine which duals I will use.


After introducing Modest Mouse - Float On, and The Killers - Somebody Told Me into the rotation; I began to see whether I want the V6V in I/V Stage and V6C in LP Stage, or Vice Versa. So my conclusion is that I prefer the V6C in IV Stage and V6V in LP Stage. I love detail, but with All V6V Duals, it is just a little too harsh in comparison. So with the V6C in I/V Stage, I get all the details while rounding out the highs to enable longer listening sessions.


One thing I noticed with the Play is that if you have one opamp not fully plugged it, there’s a little relay inside that prevents it from running.

 

[selvakumar]

BURSON PLAY

I received this wonderful DAC/headamp combo a couple of weeks ago from BURSON-Australia to give it a listen and write a detailed review here, many thanks to Charles for that. This is what I did actually, I gave it an over 200 hours of burn-in combined with intensive listening tests, mostly Jazz (oldies, but also contemporary), Blues, Rock, Classic music and Club hits as well, so I did covered most genres of music I usually listed to.


Photo: BURSON courtesy

For me, as a computer engineer, but also an electronics-hobbyist, it's very important what's "inside the box" and how the device measures, but also what kind of components manufacturer is using when building the final product.

Well, I was amazed that inside the PLAY Burson was using same high-quality components like in a high-end device: Dale resistors, ELNA Silmic II and ELNA Tonerex capacitors. Given the 5.25" form factor and Burson recommendation this DAC/headamp combo was designed with PC users and PC gamers in mind, so given the "target audience" I wasn't really expecting such audiophile-like components inside.


Inside components view


Powerful Class-A transistors amplifier


Gold-plated plugs and protection circuitry


Backside view of the PCB (see the ground-plane)

Now I'm going to dig into this baby a little bit.

The USB module is connected to the mainboard through a 7-pin adapter, so it's easy to take it apart and swap it for another module, in case of RMA for example. Also, this modular design makes possible a future upgrade, in case BURSON might think there's place for improvement. Who knows, maybe an USB 3.0 card or a SPDIF or RIAA converter or perhaps a newer XMOS chip or...just my imagination? The inside firmware can be future upgradable via the 3 volts 4Mb 25P40VP serial flash memory: M25P40 Serial Flash Embedded Memory - Micron Technology, Inc.. Entire USB module is getting the +5V power from a dedicated LT1085 low-noise regulator, so no power noise & ripple should get injected from the PC's power supply.


XMOS USB module

There's a low-power USB hub controller on the USB module, GL850G connected to onboard dedicated 12 MHz crystal. This has an 8-bit RISC processor inside that quickly responds to USB host requests. This USB hub should minimize PC's USB host ripple and noise and also to power the USB chip via the internal low-noise regulators.

The USB transporter is a XMOS XU-208 chip from the latest generation on the market, xCORE-200: XU208-256-TQ64. This is a 32-bit chip powered by 8 x real-time logical cores running at a frequency of 500 MHz. It gets the clock from the onboard 22 MHz and 24 MHz oscillators.

By the Digital-to-Analog conversion is taking good care the Reference DAC chip developed by ESS, ES9018K2M, getting the clock from the onboard 100 MHz oscillator. This is a high-performance 32-bit, 2-channel audio D/A converter able to natively decode both PCM and DSD formats with a dynamic noise up to 127dB and a THD+N of -120dB. It has also a digital volume control and an internal DSP with built-in "click-free" soft mute feature to suppress any possible popups when switching between PCM and DSD or vice-versa.


ESS DAC and the low-noise power regulators

The DAC chip is powered via the supplied +12V power source that is later lowered to +5V by a dedicated LT1085 low-dropout & low-noise regulator (different LDO than the one used to power the USB module), then gets lowered again to +3.3V by the ultra low-noise CMOS linear regulators ADP150 made by Analog Devices (9uV RMS across 10 Hz to 100 KHz).

Moving from the XMOS USB interface and ES9018K2M DAC further till headphones output plug, the PLAY version with SS V5/V6 opamps included is probably the only DAC/headamp combo designated for use inside a PC case that is using from head to tail only discrete components. Yes, transistors and high quality passive components, without any integrated chips in signal path, because the SS V5 and SS V6 operational amplifiers are 100% discrete and not regular IC chips! Also, I was unable to identify any capacitors in signal path either, by the DC output voltage is taking care an additional protection circuit that acts a relay on headphones 6.3 mm plus.

Microphone mono 3.5 mm jack is connected to the HS-100B chip which acts as Analog-to-Digital converter in this scenario. This is a 48K / 44.1KHz Sampling Rate Analog to Digital converter that convert signal getting from the microphone to digital PC format. It actually measures very well for a input source for microphone:


Microphone/IN frequency response


Microphone/IN signal response for 1 KHz signal

The output sound of the PLAY is having a pristine clarity, a very good soundstage, clear and upfront voices with extreme details in instrument reproduction. While listening to DSD Scott Hamilton - Ballads for Audiophiles I was able to detect on my headphones the correct positioning of every instrument on the scene, it's like being able to listen to all micro-details properly and to enjoy the music in a large soundstage. I was also amazed by how saxophone sounds while listening to more DSDs with Coleman Hawkins and Charles Lloyd; this is actually the best DSD DAC player I have at home at the moment and I really think the sound of the DSD format on the PLAY is awesome. I was specifically listening to jazz and sax because I'm very sensitive to this type of music and if doesn't sounds right then my ears are easily getting irritating (not the case with PLAY!).

PLAY measures very well too, perhaps a little bit better than the original specs; I've found no channel imbalance and a perfectly flat frequency response, combined with a neutral sound on both RCA and 6.3mm plugs:


Frequency response


Dynamic range & noise levels


1KHz frequency response


Jitter


Impulse response

The 2-Watts Class-A inside amplifier is able to easily drive both dynamic and planar headphones, from up to 600-ohms. As you can see from the below picture, I was able to push it to 7.4V RMS with 1KHz signal/30-ohms, meaning 1.825W/30-ohms of power on each channel. In case you're wondering how can it get about 2W/channel from a 12V PSU: no, it actually can't, so there are inside a couple of converters able to pump-up +/-15V to the opamps and to the transistors from the output stage.


1 KHz perfect sinewave

Nevertheless, this is one of the best Hi-Fi equipment for PC's where opamp rollers can successfully test their preferred opamps in I/V, LPF and Voltage Amplification stages. I've successfully tested myself lot of opamps without issues: BURSON SS V6 Classic & Vivid, BURSON SS V5, BURSON V5i, NE5532, LM4562, LME49720, NJM2114, OPA2132, OPA1652, OPA1602, AD8599, AD8672, MUSES8820, MUSES8920 etc. However, you need to take very good care of opamp "polarity" (pin1 should connected correctly) and try not mixing single with dual opamps or vice-versa (respect Burson's included schematic).

Variable volume control makes possible interconnection with active monitors/speakers, so I've took the opportunity to connect my Mackie MR6mk3 monitors and the MR10Smk3 subwoofer. Besides the volume potentiometer no other adjustments were needed, just plug and play and output sound was perfect into my ears, no EQ or DSP filters needed...it just sounded right from the 1st second. However, volume level was setup around 42% to get the desired 2V RMS on PLAY's RCA outputs, so I can correctly feed my Mackie speakers.

Using SS V6 Vivid in all DIP8 sockets sound gets more upfront, especially women vocals, but also the cymbals. If low-bitrate MP3 are going to be listen then prepare to hear every little encoding imperfection, because these opamps are more crispy and detailed oriented, but without harshness.

The SS V6 Classic are a bit more laid-back, with a detailed and a bit larger scene, totally neutral and very good for monitoring. The SS V6 Classic I liked most in the pre-amplification stage, so I intend to use them from now on all my devices on voltage amplification stage (already using with success it in my Matrix M-Stage HPA-3B).

Remote control is slim and fits nicely in my hands and the battery is easy to replace, based on the backplate that is kept in place by the 4 small magnets:


Remote control

There are accessories to connect the PLAY inside the PC case with ease, just unmount your PC, mount the below bracket, connect the included USB cable to your motherboard USB port. The included RCA-RCA cables are short and meant for use inside your PC to connect the RCA plugs of the PLAY to the RCA output bracket.

PC connection kit


Included gold-plated RCA cables

PLAY has a very good instrument separation, very neutral and with a good soundstage, not huge but also not very intimate. The final sound can easily get changed by swapping the opamps, so feel free to add your own flavor here.

PRO:

• able to play WAV, APE, MP3, FLAC etc. but also DSD x64, x128, x256 formats natively, without any clicks when switching between source format
• need no drivers for OS Sierra nor for Windows 10 (though Burson is providing drivers for Windows 10)
• very good, detailed and neutral sound, especially when using audiophile headphones
• latest generation USB transporter chip followed by a very detailed Reference DAC connected to a very powerful Class-A amplifier makes it easy to use most headphones out there, even planars
• one of the best DAC/headamp combo for opamp rollers
• headphones protection circuit with relay (for DC-output, but also if you connect dual instead of single opamps in the pre-amplification stage)
• able to get the power either from included PSU, either from the PC's PSU (only the +12V)

CON:

• not recommended for use with sensitive IEM
• volume gain is a bit higher when pairing with very sensitive 16-32 ohms headphones
• a bit on the pricey side perhaps

CONCLUSION: Probably the best and the only DAC/headamp combo designed to fit inside a PC case that is using a XMOS chip for USB transport and a fully discrete Class-A amplifier. At least I'm not aware of any other manufacturer providing such a powerful amplifier for a PC soundcard/combo. Most manufacturers are relying on integrated opamp output buffers, which is fine, of course, but under no circumstances would compete with a 2W Class-A transistors output stage.

Note: I don't have a perfect tool to do the noise measurements, but my good old ASUS U7 has a really low-noise ADC (around -110dB).

detailed review good job from a engineer who loves music as it intended

 

[selvakumar]

Depending on the circuit, some of them are pretty good actually.

IC based opamps are good but not best since many audio companies don't use discrete opamps since it need separate R&D like designing PCB and components so some legends like Burson Audio design their own discrete opamps and Burson play is a good move by Burson Audio since it utilizes and unleash their true potential

 

[imran27]

IC based opamps are good but not best since many audio companies don't use discrete opamps since it need separate R&D like designing PCB and components so some legends like Burson Audio design their own discrete opamps and Burson play is a good move by Burson Audio since it utilizes and unleash their true potential

With proper configuration and selections, you get IC opamps to best out discrete ones, not by a huge margin, but still.

Trust me, you can't generalize it to IC opamps. Most IC opamps aren't as good as V6, some are pretty good, better than V6. But it is all dependent on configuration in which it is used and its operating conditions. An opamp isn't gonna sound same in all circuits. Not just that, an opamp can't have same comparative comparative performance to other opamps on a different circuit. I and @Prabeer Patankar have tested that out on XD-05 and Play. Comparative performances vary a lot from XD-05 to Play and also with the place where it is use D like I/V, LP and Gain.

 

[newtophones07]

I just ordered one if these out of curiosity. Anyone happen to know the typical shipping time to the US?

I ordered my unit with the V6 vivid, do they come pretty installed?

 

[raoultrifan]

Hi,

Mine came with V6 Vivids pre-installed.

 

[Robstarplus]

Would this be comparable to the schiit modi 2 multibit? I've been using an essence STX for 10 years now. It's done the job, but it's time for me to upgrade. I must say, the Burson Play looks attractive, but I have no place slotting it in to my computer. Lack of a drive bay with the Fractal Meshify C case. But as an external solution, it looks really good. But honestly, I just can't seem to see what I'm gaining here vs. the Essence STX.. Same thing with the Schiit Modi 2 Multibit.

Would love it if someone opened my eyes a little on the subject, many people are more experienced in this situation!

 

[raoultrifan]

Never listened to Schiit stack, but AFAIK it measures very well and sounds very good too; it might save some space on the desk too...depending on your setup.

However, I would say that PLAY has the advantage of the newly developed XMOS chip, the ES9018K2M DAC and the native DSD playback, but also the robust Class-A output stage similar with the one included in the former HA-160 amplifier. Also, if SS V5 or V6 will be used, then you'll get a fully discrete DAC/headamp combo that will sound a bit more oon the analogue side than digital (no IC and no caps in signal path).

You don't need to fit the PLAY inside your PC's case, just place it on top of the case of nearby; it has a low-noise PSU that you can attach it and use it with ease.

DAC and headamp from the STX are way below the specs of the PLAY, feel free to compare some pics with internal components from both and you'll see that for yourself. Also, compare the specs too.

 

[Robstarplus]

Thanks Raoultrifan! Yes I'm weighing up the specs, definitely going to reach out and make the purchase I think. I honestly can afford to spend a bit *more* money on my audio setup (I stood for an hour in a local audio store listening to a Schiit Gungnir/Mjonir combo, thinking.. maybe), but I'm incredibly interesting in this Burson Play. It's relatively affordable to me, considering I paid almost 300 I think for a sound card a decade ago. Maybe I'm being sold on the musical / gaming marketing side of things -- though I don't necessarily need the microphone input, since I use a USB standalone; if I ever get a mod mic, this makes the Burson Play more valuable.

 

[imran27]

These are for sure better than Modi 2. No idea about multibit version.
These are also better than Chord Mojo as well as Audio-GD R2R11 and Aune S6 and for me personally even better than Chord Hugo 2.

Broadening it to source devices in general, I found X7ii to be better than Play at least with my DT 1990(A). But Play has more power which is great for cans like HE560 and T1.

Pure DAC implementation wise, I don't think any buyer should be disappointed with it it's pretty good.

 

[selvakumar]

Burson play is very good in every way only thing its lagging optical out im having 3 version one for v5i,v6v,v6c ill post my review in coming weeks

 

[WilliamLeonhart]

Finally got time to join this prestigious program. I would like to include my info as below:
1. City and Country: Hanoi, Vietnam
2. My equipment: my main cans are Audio Technica AD2000 and Alessandro MS2e. Little Dot I+ with Burson v5 and a plethora of tubes. Aune S16 as DAC. Burson Cable+ Pro and a Dell printer cable to sum it all up.
And the pic:

Spoiler

 

[newtophones07]

Hi,

Mine came with V6 Vivids pre-installed.

How long did it take to arrive?

 

[raoultrifan]

Hi newtophones07,

Less than 1 month, but more than 1 week was stuck in Customs because of Christmas and winter holidays.

 

[audiobile]

Does this work with the PS4? (I should add that wouldn't be it's primary use).