It’s amazing how everyone hears different. My thoughts were exactly the opposite. I found indigos “stuffy” sounding and the soundstage is nothing in comparison. I liked my Mest MK2’s better than indigo and still own my them.
Yes, It is amazing how we all hear differently! Reading how you describe the Indigo, would have me question whether you had a defective set! It's been a long time since I heard the MKII, but I much preferred the Indies to those. I did find the OE PWA cable a bit restrictive and changing out to an Ares S 8W really opened them up and a brought more note weight to the bottom end.
Mentor really is a completely different thing altogether from any of the Mest versions.
OK, now you opened a can of worms! What mean you by "weird" bass?
I've heard the bass described many ways - this is my first time hearing weird?
I'm not sure how to explain but weird was a terrible descriptor! I think it probably boils down to lack of DD bass for me, and it feeling a bit underwhelming. The mids and soundstage are epic and, on my first go around with them, I was blown away. But on my second go around, I had already heard AP, which is sort of like a Mentor with better bass (still no DD, but this could have fooled me). I think it's still magical, but at those price levels, I'm going for the Fir and kinetic bass.OK, now you opened a can of worms! What mean you by "weird" bass?
I'm still looking forward to getting them but want to know what to expect! One more angle from you please!
I was tossed up between the Mentor and CP622B - but multiple reports of poor fit issues kept me off it.
Just the overall frequency response of Mentor was boring to me. A very warm version of neutral with no standouts. Not bad, but so boring.@maegnificant
Maybe because you like dd bass more?? Ive never try a great low freqs that produced other than dd. So kinda afraid of not like it too.
Was thinking bout that a lot. Not sure if im going to like other low freqs not by DD
Cant audition it
Mentor was underwhelming in the beginning to me also but I began to appreciate what it delivered the more time I spent with it. Cable synergy is also important and for me First Times (non-shielding) paired well. It is also strange that when Mentor was all the hype, many were saying that it had one of the best BA bass out there. Seems like it's not so great now!Just the overall frequency response of Mentor was boring to me. A very warm version of neutral with no standouts. Not bad, but so boring.
Mentor doesn't have a DD though...
I've been listening, playing pretty much every genre and cable rolling. First off, I'll say I Love the Indigos and I'm not going to miss them. Thats not trashing them that's simply acknowledging that a set I contemplated never selling has been trumped. But at double the retail price, the mentor better trump them. On first listen with stock cable I could hear the elevation in subbass over the indigos, but despite them being BA and not DD I was expecting more. I swapped over to new EA Code 24 - and boom - there it was - it took the whole presentation and added more. The PWA cable is a good pairing. I also tried the Ares S 8W in the Mentor but it fell short vs the Deep of Universe but moving to the Code 24 I got more note weight down low and greater clairity and imaging - dare I say airieness up top. To me the Code 24 took the the Mentor and Deepened it, widened it, extended it and brough more impact. I don't think I'm experiencing a placebo here - I've gone back and forth all afternoon with selection of tracks from across genres I'm really familiar with. All that to say Yes @Silverlinings you were right and I will now sell my beloved Indigos. and @yaps66 I can concurr, cable synergy is important with the Mentor.
That's the cable I'm using with Indigo, so I imagine it lifts the bass of MM s well!
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