AKG K361/K371
Oct 25, 2019 at 4:46 PM Post #17 of 1,294
I really hope Jude can get his hands on one of these. They are an absolute game changer at their price. I've heard just about every "studio monitor" type can under 200 bucks, and this beat them all in FR hands down. With stuff like this and LCD1 coming out, we're entering a new era in this hobby it would seem.
Seems that way to me as well! Who knows what comes next :wink:
 
Oct 27, 2019 at 1:55 PM Post #20 of 1,294
I have them at home now as well and can confirm the impressions. AKG really released a nice little gem so great in value, it actually rehighlighted a price bracket which I abandoned years ago not only because I went for much more expensive headphones but also because I didn't find much value there after
selling my modded DT770 600, V-Moda M-100, Soundmagic HP-100 and a few others because as closebacks they never really appealed to me for longterm use and much more expensive close backs didn't either. T5p2, LCD-XC, Signature DJ etc. None of them did it for me over a long time.
The only closed back I kept were the Mobius but more because they have an overall package that makes them a keeper. Anyway...

Never expected this to change to be honest, also because headphones kept getting more and more expensive. And now we are here.

Dynamics are pretty good. These headphones don't leave you lying on the floor, they instantly make you headbob or get up. Sure that's a very subjective impression but I'm willing to bet that most users will relate. 3(!) different cables make sure you are equipped well enough for every dancefloor.

If you expect a mellow smooth candle light experience, yes, these will do it when the music calls for it and then kick you in the nuts and uppercut you if you fire up an Amon Tobin track like Lost & Found or Banjo by Clark. They translate the experience very well thanks to their strong technicalities, especially low distortion.
They don't fall apart when driven loud, can sustain quite a bit of power and still sound quite clean. Cranking them up is thus pretty easy so be extra careful about your hearing because these really keep you going.


The subbass is boosted a bit but not so much that it masks important detail or showers you with its decay, but it is slightly longing a bit for attention. Nothing to worry about and probably very welcome for most users. I like it but I'm also used to the TH-900.
Mids are clean, rather well behaved, they rise up a bit at the upper spectrum but I like that accentuation as it gives voices the illusion of slighty more clarity/openness in the context of the FR and these being closed backs. Probably intentional.
Not much to say about the treble and that's actually a good thing. Just don't expect HD 600/650 or even 800 levels of treble detail or these being worldbeaters, just be extra happy about them being clean, very well behaved with neither being offense, overly accentuated or even fake detailling like a few Beyers.
No metallic zingyness, no harshness that makes you grind your teeth. Nothing. I can't even say polite because that would mean these being limp. They are not.

Don't mind the lower resolution if you own gear that resolves better or are used to it, the FR is so agreeable, the overall tuning done so broad in appeal and yet so unique it's not falling into the "master of none" pitfall. It simply ticks a lot of boxes.

Soundstage is not something to write home about but it's no "spooky voice in the head" type of soundstage, I think it suffices, I don't mind it and I'm a soundstage nut. Just don't expect them to be your main gaming/movie can. However I didn't use them with it. Could do if wanted.

It's the best "fire and forget" headbopping, wide genre compatible, technically capable affordable closed back headphone that you can buy and I don't remember any other headphone in recent times to really shake any price brackets like these, except the Verum 1.
And they prove how big of a trait masterful out of the box tuning is.


Yes, there's Elegia and Stellia but they are not as well tuned out of the box. Also cost 20 times more. Their pads alone probably cost as much as one AKG K371. What happend to this love of ours? Oh yeah, the K371!

These are so good you want to gift them. Yes, 145€ is still a lot of money and the value perspective has been distorted over all these many years but you can do much much worse with 145€. These should be gifted if you want to make someone happy who simply wants to enjoy his music.

And now a few tracks I listened to with them:







 
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Nov 2, 2019 at 5:46 PM Post #23 of 1,294
I really hope Jude can get his hands on one of these. They are an absolute game changer at their price. I've heard just about every "studio monitor" type can under 200 bucks, and this beat them all in FR hands down. With stuff like this and LCD1 coming out, we're entering a new era in this hobby it would seem.
Yes, these are an absolute steal at the price. Very open, detailed and articulate midrange, no midbass bloom or bloat, and no screeching top. I do find, like the K550/553, the seal can be a little iffy and non-secure, causing a change in sound balance.
 
Nov 2, 2019 at 8:49 PM Post #24 of 1,294
Yes, there's Elegia and Stellia but they are not as well tuned out of the box. Also cost 20 times more. Their pads alone probably cost as much as one AKG K371. What happened to this love of ours? Oh yeah, the K371!
I concur, there are some expensive flagships that fall flat in comparison when it comes to reproducing music, or just letting the music breath and be. You might get more temporary thrills, like big soundstage, spotlit detailed highs and cozy warm upper bass. But they don't get out of the way of the music, they rather editorialize and shape it, 'customize' it. You pay large sums of money so you need to get "big things", when what you really want is nothing.
 
Nov 2, 2019 at 9:05 PM Post #25 of 1,294
After more time with these I'm still enjoying them and impressions are still that it's a rather neutral pair of headphones. The FR is spot on, very linear up until the upper mids where theres a peak, I'm guessing around 5k, sounds similar to the more current "silent HD650 revision" or 6XX where there's a bit of added aggression. It gives the K371 a bit of bite, excitement but also gives female vocals presence and highlights that emotion that is hidden in something like an LCD-2. Those looking for warm, or lush will
be disappointed but it can be potent in the low bass. It kind of reminds me of mix between the HD650(upper mid bite, vocal presence) and the LCD-2C(slightly lean, agile, linear in the low to mid transition)
 
Nov 3, 2019 at 4:51 AM Post #26 of 1,294
I've had them for about a week now and I enjoy them quite a bit. With a slight low bass boost they definitely cater to my taste, while thankfully being far from dull / too warm. Yes, I do know headphones that are more detailed and/or have a wider presentation... but they are more expensive as well.

Overall the K371 is quite clean, yet engaging, isolation is OK, cable options are generous. Its compact, comfortable with good headband cushioning, well balanced pressure and rather large though not too deep pads, and offers good sound quality, especially given its price point. I share the impression of a slight tendency to break the seal that @Beagle mentioned. I don't buy many headphones anymore, but these were a worthy exception. Highly recommended.
 
Nov 9, 2019 at 1:12 PM Post #27 of 1,294
I agree with what has been said with the K371. I got these exactly the same time as the DT177x GO which wouldn't be a direct comparison but at least I got a sense of price over value.

I personally describe the K371 as an M50x killer and am not surprised if this was what it was positioned to do. It has similar 3 cable and a bag accompaniment - a straight long, short long, and coiled cable. Then you get a cloth bag.

I love how the cables are secure and generic 3-pin mini XLR that you can replace and upgrade versus the M50x's specialised connector.

The pleather on the K371 we will all see how it ages over time. I'm hoping it's not similar to the M50x's peeling leather. I have two units as I couldn't resist buying these special edition colours. The lighter brown/blue combination which is my most favourite as it reminds me of luxury leather goods manufacturer colour scheme (i.e. Hermes) has began peeling so badly from the earpads (which I already replaced with velour), to the headband and matching pleather pouch. While my darker brown/green M50x is still intact down to the pouch.

So the K371 is a step ahead with an elegant heather grey cloth bag which means it can handle much more rough on-the-go handling.

With regards to sound signature, I find it can be bright on the peaks and the fact that it has a larger 50mm driver and a not too deep padding can feel like an assault on your ears - a combination of the shallow sound stage and peaks.

I don't find the bass boomy at all and running these through online test - these K371 will keep up and work as hard as the DT177x down to 20Hz.

Super comfortable headbands which I like the equal distribution of pressure versus my Senn HD300 PRO with two distinct padding that I find only creates two distinct pressure points - like two fingers pressing on my head over time. I would rather they created a full padding on those. And these silicone like material on the K371 fits the bill.

They are as neutral as you can get in this range and still be able to please both content creators and the regular folks who are lured away from typical colourful sounding headphones. This is a perfect compromise.

If they can change one thing or if I had to mod one thing, it's creating deeper pads for these to distance the large drivers from the ear. Or perhaps velour pads can help create space?

Overall these are a bang for the buck at USD150. It's under the radar that people will soon realise they can't get any better performance and quality at this price point.

Mark my words - these are the ATH-M50x killer.
 
Nov 9, 2019 at 1:45 PM Post #28 of 1,294
Glad to see a lot of people coming to a similar conclusion - the M50x is dead.

The 177X Go I heard briefly at home and immediately returned to Drop. It's based on the 1770 as far as I can tell, which was already a clearly less detailed headphone than the original 770. Then on top of that they've front damped it and decreased the impedance to 32 ohms, both of which reduce detail even further. Not something I recommend buying.

Edit: oratory1990 has measured both the 361 and 371 on his GRAS system recently. You can find his graphs on this page: https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets
 
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Nov 9, 2019 at 2:17 PM Post #29 of 1,294
Glad to see a lot of people coming to a similar conclusion - the M50x is dead.

The 177X Go I heard briefly at home and immediately returned to Drop. It's based on the 1770 as far as I can tell, which was already a clearly less detailed headphone than the original 770. Then on top of that they've front damped it and decreased the impedance to 32 ohms, both of which reduce detail even further. Not something I recommend buying.

Edit: oratory1990 has measured both the 361 and 371 on his GRAS system recently. You can find his graphs on this page: https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets
Interesting take on the 177X, maybe I don’t have the best ears when it comes to hearing details, next to my H6 and HD6XX it’s around the same to me but I’m hearing more inner-details with the 177X (backing vocals, harmonies, background instruments sound more up front). Upon testing it sounded like maybe the 177X is missing the last 10% or 20% of micro detail up top compared to the other two? I can see how damping can mask 10k and above. I dunno. I can’t really tell unless I’m comparing the three together. But they’re certainly slightly on the darker side. At least I can listen to these when I couldn’t take the treble of the 770. Anyway for the $380 I got them I can’t complain as they’re a fun listen for me and holding up in my office. Tonality wise they’re pretty much how I like it, and of course the Beyer stage and imaging.
 
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Nov 9, 2019 at 3:02 PM Post #30 of 1,294
Glad to see a lot of people coming to a similar conclusion - the M50x is dead.

The 177X Go I heard briefly at home and immediately returned to Drop. It's based on the 1770 as far as I can tell, which was already a clearly less detailed headphone than the original 770. Then on top of that they've front damped it and decreased the impedance to 32 ohms, both of which reduce detail even further. Not something I recommend buying.

Edit: oratory1990 has measured both the 361 and 371 on his GRAS system recently. You can find his graphs on this page: https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets

Interesting indeed. Perhaps I mistake the lack of detail for the DT to being neutral versus when switching over to the K371 I found there is over emphasis.

In any case, the graphs don't lie on his measurements and it certainly shows the K371 to be able to reproduce the target more faithfully than the DT177x. I did also notice that despite being both 32 ohms, there is a difference in pre-amp gain. Can anyone explain why that is the case and how this is determined?

The reason is I find the K371 can hold on its own with minimal amplification. While I found the DT177x starts to shine with more amplification. While in the testing the preamp gain was higher for the K371 and less than half amplification for the DT177x.

Very curious on how this came about.
 

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