What is your favorite sound signature (i.e. what kind of sound are you really after?)
Dec 13, 2006 at 2:59 AM Post #46 of 52
My ideal sound is very "snap-crackle and pop" with a solid bottom end. This is why I love my A900s with their tipped upper mids and bass so much.

I'm looking for a headphone that'll improve on this sound. Clarity and airyness while still feeling solid... hard to come by.
 
Dec 13, 2006 at 3:35 AM Post #47 of 52
Fuzzily-warm mids you feel like you can hug. Clear, extended treble that doesn't necessarily sparkle but is absolutely clean. Low, forceful bass that can slap you upside the head when a sonic boom drops. And a mid-bass that isn't excessive.

In short, the ATH-AD2000.
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Dec 13, 2006 at 4:17 AM Post #48 of 52
Some responses:

SeagramSeven: You bring up a very good point. Preferences can and do change over time, and the hunt for that elusive "it" never ends, really - but what is audiophilia about, if not that hunt in the first place? Also, when it comes to headphones, there is a fairly finite number of qualiy items to be had. I by no means am an expert as some of our respected members are, but I have heard enough by now to have a more solid understanding of what headphones have to offer, so I can with more accuracy pick my favorite among them. I believe that greater experience with gear leads to a greater understanding of what you want out of your gear, and it is that understanding that I'm trying to express and get at from others.

MaloS: Wow, excellent post. You definitely have a unique perspective on the whole business, though it seems that we're after fairly similar things sonically.

Robm321: Yes, I have a lot of interest in the K1000. I prefer 'stats over dynamics by a good margin, but it seems to have a lot of electrostatic virtues. I'll wait until I can hear one to make up my mind on trying it, though, given how expensive it is, and how hard it is to drive properly.
 
Oct 31, 2014 at 1:21 PM Post #49 of 52
bumping and reviving an old thread.
 
I like a slight mid and upper bass enhancement (groovy base line and punchy bass).
I like a slight midrange and upper midrange boost (forward intimate midrange for vocals and guitar crunch and attack). 
Finally an open and airy sound yet with a slightly recessed treble (soft and natural treble without bite or edge).
 
An old Vintage A Grado RS1 with Flats.  Which I sold to get the HD800 many years ago.  My worst mistake! 
 
Tried every other Grado, even Grado Magnums.  Not close. 
Thought the Fostex t50rp was close in the midrange, but could not recreate the punchy bass.  
I thought if the ATH-ESW9 was an open and not closed headphone, it would have worked.  
ATH-AD2000 midrange was nice, but again, no punchy bass.
Currently, the closest thing is what I have now: LCD-2F with the foam taken out of the grill. 
 
Oct 31, 2014 at 3:29 PM Post #50 of 52
I think this might be a useful discussion. We all talk about our favorite headphones, but because we all hear in different ways we have rather different takes on them. So, let's take headphones out of the picture for a second and see what we're really after in a system. Then, we can put them back in and figure our what kind of a system really suits our needs.

So, talk about what kind of sound does it for you, and what you ideally want to hear. Let's not all say "musical" since different things make the sound musical to us in different ways. Rather, let's break it down into individual components of the sound signature, and see what we like and how it makes things click for us individually.

Here's what I want out of a system:

Naturally, I want the system to disappear and leave nothing but the music behind. But, since that's not really an answer, this is what makes a system disappear for me:

First of all, the tonal balance has to be right. The tonal balance that I prefer is a sound that's fairly flat through the bass (on headphones that implies a very slight midbass emphasis to compensate for a lesser tactile feedback in comparison to speakers - but much less of a midbass emphasis than a lot of popular good headphones have i.e. HD650), flat through the midrange and on to the upper mids, and very slightly recessed in the treble. This, I find, let's the treble sort-of pop out of nowhere, and makes it more airy and delicate, as opposed to a more foreward treble, which puts extra treble where there should be none, and makes for a metallic, edgy sound with many modern recordings.

Secondly, I'm after detail. A whole lot of detail. I realized that I'm a detail freak when I found myself wishing that the SR-404 had more resolution. I want to hear each and every tiny nuance to the sound, and if it's hyperdetailed past the point of realism, I really don't care. However, I want my detail to be presented naturally, without shortened decay and cut-out transients like the Etys do it.

In terms of speed, attack, and decay, I want a system that's extremely fast, has a fast attack, but a long decay. This is very tricky to get right, but this is what tubes do basically, lengthen decay until sound sort of hovers surreally in midair, while keeping a good attack and a good speed overall. I love this sound, and this is must in my system (this is why I don't much care for solid-state anymore).

In terms of soundstage - I prefer a forward sound with soundstage. What that means is that I want to be right on stage with the musicians, but I don't want to lose the dimensionality of the background sounds. I want a forward foreground, but a distant background. The SR-404 does this really well I think, it's a Grado-ish presentation with actual soundstage width.

I want a very saturated tone color. I don't want things to be greyish or metallic sounding, or woolen and murky and overly lush. I want to hear the body and tone of the instrument first and foremost, but I also don't want to lose texture like Sennheisers do sometimes. I want it all!

Here's what breaks a system for me: wooly, loose, undefined bass (HD650), shortened transients and an overly dry sound (ER-4S), insufficient speed to deal with complex material and many layers (HD580/6x0), metallic treble that sounds artificially hi-fi-ish and not refined (A250 and sometimes K340) and an uneven, peaky midrange (SR-404).

Lastly, here's what I'm more tolerant of: frequency roll-offs at either extreme, though I'm less tolerant of bass roll-offs than treble roll-offs. The SR-003 is pretty rolled off at both ends, but it still sounds quite balanced to my ear because what is there is of a very good quality. Ditto for the ES2 - it doesn't have much deep bass next to the E500, and it's treble is not as extended as an electrostat's obviously, but what's there is very, very good.

When all of these factors are in place, I can basically relax and let the music flow. But, quite frankly, a system that meets all of this is going to be outrageously expensive to begin with, so chances are I'm not the only one that's going to relax and let the music flow. I've heard something like this out of the HE90, but I can't of course say for sure, since it's been so long since I've heard one. I've also had very good results out of several systems, specifically the K340 and SR-404 when they're driven by tubes. Those systems had failed at one specific issue or another, but they have come very, very close. The least offensive, so to speak, headphone in my collection is the ES2. It does nearly everything right to my ear, but I need more resolution/refinement/quality in general out of my main rig (though this is not a knock on the ES2 as it's quite amazing for what it is). I've come to realize that I love tubes, and without some glass somewhere in the signal path, I really can't relax and let the music carry me away. The fast attack/long decay/saturated tone color sound (let's say coloration) that tubes add just does it for me in nearly every way.

So... what does it sonically for you?

Once again, I think this will be useful, since we can talk about where we're coming from in a more idealized, metaphorical manner, as opposed to saying what pieces of gear we do and don't like.

P.S. Sorry for the length, but if we're going to talk in-depth about abstract notions of good sound, then we might as well make it long
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Same preference here especially focusing on the highlighted stuff. So what headphone/system did you end up with?
 
Oct 31, 2014 at 6:37 PM Post #52 of 52
Same preference here especially focusing on the highlighted stuff. So what headphone/system did you end up with?


Holy necropost Batman. 2006? Man, I cringe reading my stuff from then. I suppose I should cringe more reading my stuff from now, too. I guess with enough time, two things happen: either you stop being a fool, or you grow accustomed to yourself being a fool. I'm betting the latter will happen for me eventually, though the former, not so much...

I ended up with an Omega 2 rig, (Opus 21 --> Blue Hawaii --> 007 Mk1), but I think I'll treat myself and get a 009 soon. Then I can compare and decide which one I'll end up keeping. With time, I ended up gravitating towards a warmer sound, and I grew to kinda hate the 404 for its artificial mids and somewhat harsh highs. It made me leave 'stats for a while, bungle around with a few attemps at dynamic rigs, and then I came back to 'stats with the 007. In retrospect, I should have done that from the start. To be fair, the 007 isn't perfect, and its kinda lackluster macrodynamics and somewhat recessed upper mids make me wish for something more lively. But, its tone, ability to portray detail naturally, and insanely high microdetail resolution keep me coming back. Basically, it pulls off the disappearing trick, and only the real high-end systems can do that. I'll probably need a better source at some point down the line too; my stuff is ok, but when you're dealing with super high-end transducers with real resolution, your source needs to match that, or you're wasting your time. Mine only barely does.

I haven't really been into the whole headphone thing for some years now. There's just too much to deal with in real life to want to put up with the politics and agendas that are now rampant throughout the headphone scene. I lurk and read a lot (mostly elsewhere) but rarely post. Occasionally friends will send me something to listen to but mostly I've not kept up with the market.
 

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