[jant71]

Saw on NiceHCK store...
Listed as DQSM Z&W 420

and DQSM Z&W Panda:

Both 32Ohm, Panda $30 atm and 420 $40 atm. Panda 20 - 25,000 F.R. while 420 is 15 - 25,000 so I'm thinking the pricier one will have more bass this time ??? Both seemingly highly sensitive with the Panda at 117sens. and the 420 at 120sens.

Look cool. No cord slider though 420 looks better in silver than gold esp. with the plug and Y matching better.

 

[noknok23]

I ordered pk2s with white shells and got theses "panda" instead, I would most likely think these are the same with a rebranded shell. FYI i paid circa 12usd for them during sale but you can have them around 15 with headfi discount.
they have some sibilance before burn in. afterwards they seems fine but treble is still a bit boosted, they are fine earbuds but dont think they are worth much more than nicehck pk2. more like a nice sidegrade

I liked the Z&W at first (nice smooth u shaped sound) but they have a high treble boost a bit too much... I think they are clearly overpriced and shouldnt be bought for more than 20usd imo

 

[jant71]

Cool! Looked decent but doesn't seem to set themselves apart.

Nameless looked great too but sounds like they don't have enough bass for me.

Only MX500 might interest me at this moment on the cheap bud front and they might not be the most reliable.

 

[noknok23]

mx500 clear shell have better build for slightly more expensive price. though they sound signature seems to be more mid centric, they have a very nice analog sound.
If you arent treble sensitive, TY 150s have wonderful bass

 

[jant71]

Due to half of my listening being sports talk radio and podcasts(which can be low quality) I need non-peaky smooth treble that isn't bright. Source can also brighten up and get harsh outside cranking with buds. I am one of the more treble tolerant around here and can eat it up but not under those conditions of open buds already losing bass amount to external noise and cranking up adding treble to possibly mp3's of shows that were bad cassette recordings from the 70's, low bit rate, or spotty reception areas.

 

[noknok23]

I see your requirement are for a very forgiving earbuds with great amount of bass. Why not yincrow? it's like a vido with better build quality.

 

[jant71]

I love my Philips and should probably double up on foams with them. Vido has the right amount of bass but is outclassed where I don't reach for it vs. the 4205(makes the Vido sound like buds because they sound more like a headphone and better ability across the range). Just set it to Mach3Bass for non music files. Philips can have more bass just have to build up the back end so they push inward more. A bit hard to find ear hooks since they are Philips earpod like design that is different so caps will block vent holes or not fit. Still gonna get a better source for buds than my Cowon as well just want one with good SQ, FM, and actual bookmarks. Cowon just isn't good with buds as it can roll the bass and also boost the treble above 20 on the volume. Have to sort a DAP out first then see if I need buds. Thanks for the help

 

[waynes world]

I just got the DIY Graphenes into my ears, and first impression is that I'm not disappointed

What foams to you DIY Graphene users use? And is burn in recommended for them?

 

[activatorfly]

DIY Graphene and PT15 share a lot of common traits, so yes, I'll say they are much more like sidegrade of each other than upgrade

Compared to PT15 / DIY Graphene, Nameless is tuned a littler smoother overall. But as far as overall sound quality goes, they are more or less at around the same level. Nameless is mainly a more relaxing earbud to listen to while PT15 / DIY Graphene are more aggressive i, their presentation.

All three are decent for Classical, through I won't say anyone of them can be considered as a Classical specialist. I am more inclined to recommend you to spend a little bit more for VX Pro instead.

I think that Graphene, having a more expansive sound-stage, are an upgrade compared to PT15. I'm still considering Moondrop - what are the attributes of VX Pro in contrast to Nameless?

 

[luckyeights]

Well i got my K's Samsara in the mail today along with the mx500 earbuds. I will review them latter. But i would like to say I am a bit disappointed in the K's as far as the finish is. The review i saw earlier and what was pictured from the store i purchased is not what I received. The one in the review and from the store had gloss shells with K's earphone elegantly marked on each bud what i got was just plain matte black buds with nothing on them. They dont look nearly as nice or professional =(. They do sound good but I am still disappointed in this bait and switch.

 

[activatorfly]

I just got the DIY Graphenes into my ears, and first impression is that I'm not disappointed

What foams to you DIY Graphene users use? And is burn in recommended for them?

I generally use HG High Quality Black Donut - as the foam texture has more grip. Graphene casings are a bit large for those however...so i've doubled up on larger full foams to get the correct seal. After listening to them for 5 days - i don't think they really need any burn in at all imho (compared to say TY Hi-Z HP-150s - which seem to require extensive burn in - to alleviate shrill treble!)

 

[HungryPanda]

I just got the DIY Graphenes into my ears, and first impression is that I'm not disappointed

What foams to you DIY Graphene users use? And is burn in recommended for them?

I use a good donut on mine

 

[HungryPanda]

I found the graphenes don't sound good on my Cowon P1 yet sound great from my Fiio X5III and desktop amp. It is strange, makes me think source is important and why some people don't rate them. I think they are great.

 

[activatorfly]

Well i got my K's Samsara in the mail today along with the mx500 earbuds. I will review them latter. But i would like to say I am a bit disappointed in the K's as far as the finish is. The review i saw earlier and what was pictured from the store i purchased is not what I received. The one in the review and from the store had gloss shells with K's earphone elegantly marked on each bud what i got was just plain matte black buds with nothing on them. They dont look nearly as nice or professional =(. They do sound good but I am still disappointed in this bait and switch.

I thought the Samsara seemed overpriced? - hence i opted for K's K300 for $16 which sound good - after being re-cabled for balanced output. They are plain matte black with a K's inscription. Your flagship version should be the same as pictured with white inscriptions etc....Kinda glad i chose the cheaper version!

 

[waynes world]

I use a good donut on mine

Thanks. I've got so many foams and donuts lying around now, I don't know which ones are "good" or not anymore lol. Anyway, I threw on some donuts to try for a while.

I found the graphenes don't sound good on my Cowon P1 yet sound great from my Fiio X5III and desktop amp. It is strange, makes me think source is important and why some people don't rate them. I think they are great.

So far they are sounding great off of either my Walnut (with v5i opamp) or off of my laptop -> zuperdac -> C&C BH amp (not highest end gear in the world I know, but I like it!).

The only problem I'm having with the graphenes at the moment is that they are too mesmerizing and distracting and I can't get any work done while listening to them lol